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Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #40 on: July 18, 2006, 11:22:46 pm
What does up and down matter in a space environment though? I think it makes more sense with the symmetry.
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Offline Mars

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #41 on: July 19, 2006, 01:42:54 pm
Maybe you should tone that beam down a little.

It's hard for a Lilith to take down a Deimos, it can happen, but it's difficult

Coolest cruiser... ever though.
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Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #42 on: July 20, 2006, 07:35:17 pm
I agree that the trilateral symmetry is kind of strange... even for Shivans. Maybe just a tiny tweak?
 

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #43 on: July 21, 2006, 01:22:56 am
Quote from: Aardwolf on July 20, 2006, 07:35:17 pm
I agree that the trilateral symmetry is kind of strange... even for Shivans. Maybe just a tiny tweak?

thats triradial :D

and shivans dont need a down :D
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Offline Wanderer

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #44 on: July 21, 2006, 01:52:55 am
Quote from: Mars on July 19, 2006, 01:42:54 pm
Maybe you should tone that beam down a little.

It's hard for a Lilith to take down a Deimos, it can happen, but it's difficult

Coolest cruiser... ever though.
That cruiser already has toned down lilith beam (like downgraded LRed).. Liliths deal the even more damage and have practically the same amount of hitpoints so they would take those same ships out even faster.
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Offline aldo_14

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #45 on: July 21, 2006, 03:48:02 am
I like the model, I'm not sure on the maps.  I'd have went with (for example) a 'carapace / shell' type texture on the rear, for example :)
 

Offline Kosh

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #46 on: July 23, 2006, 10:19:30 am
Quote from: Axem on July 18, 2006, 09:56:05 pm
The beam cannon also has a limited firing arc (90 degrees as opposed to 180 degress for most other ships), so if a cap ship manages to flank this, its screwed. Aside from that and the missile launchers (which typically do squat anyway), its similar to an Aeolus.

An LRed, even a slightly watered down one, is still one of the ultimate ***** slapping beams of the game. The Lilith was very dangerous to capital ships because of that, but this was balanced by being quite vulnerable to bombers. An Aeolus is the exact opposite. Almost all capital ships in FS are balanced like this. The exception is the Deimos because it is a good cap ship killer as well as being hard to bomb.
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Offline Axem

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #47 on: July 23, 2006, 10:59:27 am
I see your point, most ships were either anti-cap or anti-fighter. The beam can still be toned down, I do think Shivan beams are a tad on the way-to-quick-to-kill-everything factor.
 

Offline Kazan

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #48 on: July 23, 2006, 11:22:54 am
very nice - A+ work, one of the best "new" shivan vessels i've seen.. nice weapon fire animation.... when did that become possible?
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #49 on: July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
Quote from: Axem on July 23, 2006, 10:59:27 am
I see your point, most ships were either anti-cap or anti-fighter. The beam can still be toned down, I do think Shivan beams are a tad on the way-to-quick-to-kill-everything factor.


Maybe having this one between an SRed and an LRed would work best. This way it is balanced between an anti-cap ship role and an anti-fighter role (basically what the Moloch should have been, but wasn't).

I do think this is a good model though.

BTW, are you still working on that psycho Barney campaign? :D
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Offline Axem

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #50 on: July 24, 2006, 11:17:38 am
Quote from: Kosh on July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
Maybe having this one between an SRed and an LRed would work best. This way it is balanced between an anti-cap ship role and an anti-fighter role (basically what the Moloch should have been, but wasn't).

An MRed or something. There is a large jump in the beam weapon damages. From GreenBeam to SGreen to BFGreen? And SRed to LRed? Beams either suck horribly or do too well.

Quote from: Kosh on July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
BTW, are you still working on that psycho Barney campaign? :D

It's on hold right now. :p
 

Offline Mars

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #51 on: July 24, 2006, 05:13:02 pm
Quote from: Axem on July 24, 2006, 11:17:38 am
Quote from: Kosh on July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
Maybe having this one between an SRed and an LRed would work best. This way it is balanced between an anti-cap ship role and an anti-fighter role (basically what the Moloch should have been, but wasn't).

An MRed or something. There is a large jump in the beam weapon damages. From GreenBeam to SGreen to BFGreen? And SRed to LRed? Beams either suck horribly or do too well.

The Terran progression is more like SGreen, LTerSlash, Green Beam, Terslash, BGreen
Terslashes are supposed to be an imbetween, but in reality they suck almost as bad as the SGreen, an MGreen would be easy, just turn the TerSlash into a LOS beam. I'm sure you knew all of this already, but... it just came out.

Quote from: Axem on July 24, 2006, 11:17:38 am
Quote from: Kosh on July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
BTW, are you still working on that psycho Barney campaign? :D

It's on hold right now. :p

 :(
 

Offline Axem

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #52 on: July 24, 2006, 06:40:43 pm
Quote from: Mars on July 24, 2006, 05:13:02 pm
The Terran progression is more like SGreen, LTerSlash, Green Beam, Terslash, BGreen
Terslashes are supposed to be an imbetween, but in reality they suck almost as bad as the SGreen, an MGreen would be easy, just turn the TerSlash into a LOS beam. I'm sure you knew all of this already, but... it just came out.

Well I was talking direct fire beams, and I guess I got the Green Beam and SGreen mixed up (they both suck though). Slash beams are a mixed bag. They're great against huge ships (Corvettes, Destroyers), but bad against smaller ones (cruisers).

Quote from: Mars on July 24, 2006, 05:13:02 pm
Quote from: Axem on July 24, 2006, 11:17:38 am
Quote from: Kosh on July 24, 2006, 03:03:11 am
BTW, are you still working on that psycho Barney campaign? :D

It's on hold right now. :p

 :(

Plots at a standstill.

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Offline Taristin

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #53 on: July 24, 2006, 08:51:28 pm
Quote from: Axem on July 24, 2006, 06:40:43 pm
Spoiler:
I don't know what I should do after Barney makes the universe collapse on itself... :sigh:

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Offline Axem

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #54 on: July 24, 2006, 08:58:38 pm
Spoiler:
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Offline Mars

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #55 on: July 24, 2006, 08:59:49 pm
Oh! Oh God no!

Sounds like a plan :yes:
 

Offline Goober5000

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #56 on: July 25, 2006, 05:43:54 pm
Quote from: Axem on July 24, 2006, 06:40:43 pm
Spoiler:
I don't know what I should do after Barney makes the universe collapse on itself... :sigh:

Spoiler:
Crossover with Transcend?
 

Offline PotzUK

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #57 on: August 08, 2006, 03:15:29 am
I'm loving the look of this model  8)  Any news on a release?
  

Offline Axem

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #58 on: August 08, 2006, 09:23:18 pm
It's sorta close to a release. I'd like to add atleast one LOD, and I asked DaBrain to help with the final maps. As soon as those things are done, I'll release it. :)
 

Offline Sarafan

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Re: Shivan Cruiser
Reply #59 on: August 08, 2006, 10:08:28 pm
How about your Barney campaign? What's the status on that? Are you really going to do what's on those spoiler tags? :lol: Keep up the great work on the Lamia. :yes:
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