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Offline Polpolion

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Alcohol = bad (ungood)

Drug = legal or illegal medicinal (more or less) item

Alcohol != drug


(truthfully, I just don't like hearing it as a drug :nervous: )

Tobacco, drug or not, is deadlier than some illigal drugs. Because it is legal, people just go around puffing it in peoples faces because no one can stop them (unless theyre underage). If they hang around long enough they can damage your lungs, get you addicted etc. (thats only if there close family/freind, even then it's hard to do that) On top of that, people tend to not think of it as that bad compared to some stuff because it's legal (even with all that propaganda in textbooks).
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:lol: Ok, Alcohol is a drug except when thesizzler is drinking it :D

  

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acttually, the only time I drink it was on New Years Eve. I had about a third of an ounce of wine.

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(truthfully, I just don't like hearing it as a drug :nervous: )

Iv'e heard this called "drugs and alcohol" so many times in commircials, textbooks, radio, etc, that I got the Idea that it wasn't a drug.

 

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Well, I guess the best explanation I can give for that is, oddly enough, Tobacco. Look at how long the Tobacco companies subtly manipulated the industry for a long time, to the point where it was actually considered upwardly mobile to smoke. Much the same thing goes on in the Alcohol Industry, they put pressure to be slightly seperated from other drugs, strictly speaking, it IS a drug, but corporate pressure is a powerful thing.

 

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For a while, I have favoured 8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide. It's good stuff.

It's also known as capsaicin, and it can be found in fruits of genus Capsicum, to variable extents.

It doesn't affect the central nervous system directly in any way, but when you eat it, it invokes an interesting reaction in nervous receptors of mouth membranes. The central nervous system interprets the results of this reaction as pain and start releasing variable amounts of endorphines, which are very powerful opioids and affect the brain in much the same way as, say, morphine. The only difference is that as the endorphenes are a natural part of central nervous system (opposed to other opiates), one can't even in theory develop physical dependance on it.

Other interesting thing I like quite a lot is sleeping. Learn some lucid dreaming techniques and practice them; I've had some pretty wild experiences... some of them might be clssified as "trips".


About all things that go directly to central nervous system I'm more than a bit distrustful. I tend to think that I'm messed up enough most of the time anyway, I don't actually need any chemical boost on it. I mean, what could I possibly achieve by trying some stuff? Best-case scenario - I have some nice time feeling good, big deal. Worst-case scenario - I get some life-lasting side effects (iven though they would be rare, I wouldn't want to risk such things), get convicted of usage of narcotics (or whatever "huumausaineiden käyttörikkomus" is in English), perhaps develop physical/psychological dependance of the mentioned stuff, or perhaps die.

After careful risk-analysis I conclude that I don't really want to try any narcotics.


And yes, I apply same logic to alcohol, which I sometimes drink to small extents, but have never been really drunk. By observation of fellow students I have concluded that I don't want to get drunk, as there is a very high probability of some incomprehensive actions (and their unpleasant consequenses, whatever they are). :p

I don't even like the taste of alcoholic beverages (generally).
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about lucid dreaming... how to make yourself start dreaming like that?
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The first step is usually just to make a conscious effort to remember everything when you dream and write it down. After a while of deliberately storing your dreams in your memory, you'll find you can control certain aspects of dreams when you have them :)

 

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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
thanks :)


i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...


also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
thanks :)


i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...


also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...

Your in the REM sleep stage, it's totally normal.

During REM sleep your body is essentially paralyzed, and your eyes twitch rapidly, at this point you are actually dreaming.

Dreams can feel totally realistic, I know I've had "falling" dreams before and I wake up as soon as I hit the ground.
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Then there's the king of Lucid Dreaming, falling directly into conscious sleep.

Some people never can do this (I haven't yet), but the idea is to wake up during a REM-stage of the sleep cycle, keep awake for some time and then get onto sleep again. In theory, this is the easiest way to keep oneself conscious while falling into sleep.

Also, I've heard that when it ucceeds, it can be really startling or scary. Some have reported hearing a loud noise when the state of the mind changes from awake into asleep... and some have not actually believed that they are asleep, as the surroundings in the room looked just the same as in the room...

Reality checks are also a good way to help one realize when one sleeps. The first aspect of lucid is realizing that you are asleep. Reality checks help... for example, if you close your mouth and nostrils but you can still breathe, you are most likely asleep. Also, if you glance at a paper, it might appear incomprehensible gibberish. Or the text might be something at first glance, then chance into something else. Also, take a look at the clock; if it shows completely illogical times, you are asleep. Other reality checks are, for example, just pressing the light switch and consciously thinking "hmm, I wonder what will happen when I press that switch?" If you think that it'll turn the lights on/off, it'll probably do just that in a dream... however, if you don't know what it does, anything can happen. If this happens, you know for pretty sure that you are dreaming.

Also, trying to deliberately and strongly push one's hand through a solid wall now and then is a good reality check. If the hand meets an object, it's most likely real world, if it goes through it's dream.

There is a very good lucid dreaming instructions page, but it's in Finnish so linking it here would be close to useless. These directions are from there, and they have worked... sometimes. I have yet to master the skill of Lucid dreaming, I don't have lucids even every month to tell the truth. But when it happens... it's really cool and stuff.  :nod:

Some people learn it by themselves, some never master it... but most people have lucid dream(s) multiple times during their life. MAny people just wake up after realizing they are asleep.

Oh, and about this:

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anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...

Sounds familiar. You think of something, your body relaxes, and suddenly you hear a loud "wham" or something like that, something like an electric shock goes through you and you're awake again?

It's speculated that this is caused by a remaining primitive reflex from reptile era. It's hypothized that this primitive part of brain is usually mostly inhibited by higher brain functions, but when you get asleep, the higher brain functions get "separated" from other parts of brain, releasing that part to do things, if triggered. It's also hypothized that this primitive part of the brain interprets the relaxation before sleep as a free-fall situation and reacts by sending "twitch" signal to body as a desperate attempt to catch something. But this, of course, is just a hypothized possibility, it's not even a theory yet.
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For a while, I have favoured 8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide. It's good stuff.

Chilli Peppers ? It's interpreted in the mouth as pain because it IS pain. Ouch. I could stab myself to provoke morphine alkaloid release too but I think i'll stick to my herbs !

If you want to have interesting experiences of separating parts of your brain from one another and seeing yourself in a different way, LSD is very much like a lucid dream. You'll see stuff and think stuff that doesn't exist. One time i figured out the meaning to life. It came to me during the LSD experience and I knew at once it was extremely important and had to be written down. I wrote down as much as I could. Next day, when I had returned to sobriety, there it was.... gibberesh, utterly incomprehensible nonsense. It was quite amusing  :nod:
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Can you post it?

 
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Oh yes please!  This I must see!  :lol:
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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
Let's see....my list

Alchohol.  Lots of alchohol.
Marijuna.
Cocaine.
LSD.
Ecstacy.
Angel dust.
Hashish.


All in my younger days though.  My gf would have my ass on the street with broken bones if I touched anything harder then alchohol anymore, and adult responsibilities kind of make that stuff impossible anyway.


 

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I've tried ecstasy, though only once, and it was, I'll freely admit, a great feeling, but for some reason, I never took it again, the opportunity never presented itself, and I didn't really feel the need to go look for it. Mostly, when I was younger, it was Marijuana, and some Cocaine, though not, I stress, Crack.

Pretty much the same story as you, I grew up, I moved on.

 

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So far all I've tried is alcohol, which I very quickly learned to not abuse after the first time I consumed it.  (I got completely hammered after several mixed drinks... vodka and fruitjuice).  So now, if I decide to drink, I will always limit the intake and be sure to NOT DRINK ON AN EMPTY STOMACH. 

I've also been in the same room (a small room without any good air-flow, mind you) as three guys who were smoking marijuana, and I think I got a slight high off of that.  Nothing real exciting though, and I don't have any desire to try that stuff.

The only thing I'd even consider trying are mushrooms or LSD (in a controlled situation).

On the lucid dreaming subject, I used to have recurring lucid dreams where I could fly.  Those were absolutely awesome.  I just wish I could have them again.  Might need to try giving some of those techniques a try. :)
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.

That's logically unsound. A doctor does not need to catch a disease to diagnosis it. That said, heavy painkillers and (briefly) proscribed amphetamines, so it's all been legal, nyah. :p Judging from my experience with the painkillers it's not something I'd find fun.

I know what most of the stuff looks like (that constantly surprises people) because when I was five or so I made a friend whose father was a Postal Inspector (the US Mail has their own little squad of people to deal with crimes involving the mail), and I used to visit their lab in Maryland every once in awhile. We ribbed him about the Unabomber.
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.

That's logically unsound. A doctor does not need to catch a disease to diagnosis it.

Good point, but I should say this : The drug education I recieved from the government growing up was wildly inaccurate and wrong. They are just now carrying out serious studies on psychadelic drugs 50 years after they were isolated and discovered. There has been a lot of documented hysteria involving marijuana since 1930. Even now they overstate how bad it is for you. If there was this much propaganda and lies surrounding normal medicine, I would not trust the words of my doctor. Acutally, I dont' sometimes anyway because alot of doctors are responsible for prescribing ritalin (amphetamines) to children and also paxil and zoloft and even opiates to people knowing full well the negative effects of these powerful mind altering (but legal ?) drugs.

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Except for communion wine every other Sunday, I've never taken drugs, nor can I afford to take them without risking losing my job that I'm only about a year away from starting.

Drugs just simply sounds a little too... edgy. I'm sure a lot of the people here who've had drugs before have better control over it, but I've got a typically volatile personality in the first place, and I don't really need any of that amplified by anything.
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Except for communion wine every other Sunday

Actual wine?