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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
Except for communion wine every other Sunday

Actual wine?

Well, it's definitely not just sparkling grape juice. :D

I'm very sure it's wine, as I've seen the bottle that it comes from on numerous occassions.
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Offline aldo_14

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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.

What, you mean in the same way a chemist isn't qualified to tell you about the side-effects of a prescription, or that a mechanic can't fix a problem if they don't own the exact same car and have not had the exact same problem?

I've not had my leg chopped off, but I think I can make an educated guess as to how good it is or is not.

 

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also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move...
Yes, that thing called 'sleep paralysis'. A quite from from wikipedia:
Physiologically, it is closely related to the normal paralysis that occurs during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, also known as REM atonia. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain is awakened from an REM state into essentially a normal fully awake state, but the bodily paralysis is still occurring. This causes the person to be fully aware, but unable to move. In addition, this state may be accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations"

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i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
That sounds more like the opposite to me. AFAIK in the sleep paralysis state it is almost impossible to move your body (except for the eyeballs :) ).
And according to the reports I've seen, the hallucinations are often quite... bad, to say the least. On the positive note, if one has the tendency to experience sleep paralysis, with some practice (mind control, to overcome the fear caused by hallucinations), its supposed to provide a good entry point in to the lucid dreaming state.

 

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I've had dreams where I've had some sort of 'impact' - even something relatively innocuous like playing footie and getting knocked down - and just jolted (physically jolted, i.e. jerked my body) awake as if I had felt exactly that.  It's freaky-deaky.

 

Offline Mefustae

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Then there's the king of Lucid Dreaming, falling directly into conscious sleep.
I think i've done that once or twice... I mean, i've woken up some time during the night, and as i've consciously falled asleep, i've slowly entered a dream, and bent the content to my will; y'know, place, how many women, etc. But if I remember correctly, I lost control of that dream after a short while as I slowly forgot I was actually dreaming...

Still, very cool...

 

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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
thanks :)


i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...


also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...

Your in the REM sleep stage, it's totally normal.

During REM sleep your body is essentially paralyzed, and your eyes twitch rapidly, at this point you are actually dreaming.

Dreams can feel totally realistic, I know I've had "falling" dreams before and I wake up as soon as I hit the ground.
thats waaaay before the rem stage, that usually happens 5-10 minutes after i fall asleep, i simply jolt and regularly hit something *grumble*
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Offline aldo_14

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I would guess there's a point between full on REM sleep where your subconscious is active but your physical 'suppressants' haven't kicked in yet, perhaps a bit like sleepwalking/parasomnia.

 

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I had lucid dreams in the past, it was a technique that professed to allowing you to have out of body experiences. All you have to do is make sure every part of your body is relaxed, I mean you consciously relax every toe, foot, ankle, shin, thigh etc all the way up your body to your head, including your eyelids (make sure your not squinting, or shutting them too tightly) then count to 10 and then back to 1, then count to 9 and back down to 1, then to 8 and back down to 1 etc. counting slower each time and concentrate on your breathing and continue until you realise you are no longer conscious of your body i.e. can no longer feel it! you will slowly drift of to sleep yet are aware you're falling to sleep. You can then try to turn the dream to your will. It's a form of self hypnosis (Auto-hypnosis), you can even give yourself a few hypnotic suggestions, i.e. to give up smoking!

Anyway my list:-

Alcohol - bad, very bad but I like to get hammered once in a while
Pot/Hashish/Marijuana whatever you wish to call it - When I was a student, every w/end, less regularly now
Amphetamines/speed - used rarely in the past during my student days
LSD/Trips - on the odd occassion, when I couldn't get hold of any Pot.
Tobacco - every day for 17 years (apart from 3 weeks in hospital)

A lot of the bad press some drugs get is they say, cannabis leads to other harder drugs. This is only because someone who is likely to break the law to sell Cannabis is also likely to sell so called harder drugs, if they have no Cannabis when you call, they are likely to offer you something else that they have in stock, something that could be more addictive. Same happened to me a couple of times anyway. I had the good sense to refuse but some of my associates weren't so discernng. Last time a saw them they were living on the streets hooked on heroin. Very sad.
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This is possibly interesting, as an aside; http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm

    * Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas. Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
    * Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.
    * Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.
    * Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.
    * Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and socIal damage a substance may do.


1 = Most serious  6 = Least serious

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HENNINGFIELD RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3           4         2           1          5
Heroin          2           2         1           2          2
Cocaine         4           1         4           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         3           4          1
Caffeine        5           6         5           5          6
Marijuana       6           5         6           6          4

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BENOWITZ RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3*          4         4           1          6
Heroin          2           2         2           2          2
Cocaine         3*          1         1           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         4           4          1
Caffeine        4           5         3           5          5
Marijuana       5           6         5           6          4

*equal ratings
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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
This is possibly interesting, as an aside; http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm

    * Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas. Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
    * Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.
    * Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.
    * Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.
    * Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and socIal damage a substance may do.

Code: [Select]
1 = Most serious  6 = Least serious

HENNINGFIELD RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3           4         2           1          5
Heroin          2           2         1           2          2
Cocaine         4           1         4           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         3           4          1
Caffeine        5           6         5           5          6
Marijuana       6           5         6           6          4

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BENOWITZ RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3*          4         4           1          6
Heroin          2           2         2           2          2
Cocaine         3*          1         1           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         4           4          1
Caffeine        4           5         3           5          5
Marijuana       5           6         5           6          4

*equal ratings

Of course CAFFEINE! My second most favourite drug. I'm useless in the morning without my cigarette and coffee!
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So... if I was addicted to coffee at uni, does that mean I did drugs during my uni days? Awesome!
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So... if I was addicted to coffee at uni, does that mean I did drugs during my uni days? Awesome!

Yeah you druggie!  :D Welcome to the rank and file! :drevil:
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
Well... THere has been numerous tests in which spiders were sprayed with different psychotropic substances.




More pictures... spider on LSD:




Spider on mescaline:




Spider on tetrahydrocannabinol:




and finally... spider on caffeine.  :eek2:




Didn't found a picture about the effects of ethane alcohol... it'd probably kill the poor spiders, though.


And about chili: I don't find it painful! It's just a strong sensation. And, as opposed to actual pain, capsaicin doesn't inflict real damage; as it wears away, i's gone. Except that the endorphines stay, for a while. A good dose of chili gives me good feeing for the whole day, and... actually I have to say that I like the burn. So I could say I'm mildly psychologically addicted to chili.

It only comes painful if you don't wash your hands properly after cutting chili, and then you happen to scratch your eye... I tell you, it's a memorable feeling and if you are ever threatened with pepper spray... don't do anything stupid.


By the way, chocolate is another good stuff to alter your brain's chemical balance a bit. Eating chocolate (or cocoa, actually) causes the brain to have a boost on serotonine levels. Incidentally, the effects of MDMA (Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) are mostly caused by the serotonin flood it causes, so in a way, chocolate causes much the same thing.

Interesting, eh? I think so too... :nod:
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That stuff about the spiders is cool! :D

  

Offline aldo_14

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I thought the spider-on-marijuana would just be sitting by the side of the web smoking a spliff and going 'eh man, ah'll get it later, yeah?'

(mind you, you'd expect a good web; it'd get the munchies otherwise)

 

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Well... THere has been numerous tests in which spiders were sprayed with different psychotropic substances.............


Nice to see your tax dollars going to fund studies to tell us things we already know........
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Oh, I don't know, a lot less people would have a problem with experiments on Spider chemistry to find out the receptors with a mind for using them as toxicity sensors. Still cruelty to animals, but they aren't fluffy, so you won't get animal rights protestors stealing your dead mothers' body or anything.

 

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ZOMG, where to start with this question.....
Right on the subject of my council estate social history :)
Smoked since 15, I worked 8 months as bar manager so booze is A1 soopah, In my youth i popped e's used speed and cocaine.
Still dabble now depending on the venue.
And of course smoked the green..........


LSD and shrooms are WAAAY bad......... leave well alone i heartily discourage their use.

Post scripte: Smack skag and Heroin are idiots choices. dont even think about considering touching them. (theyre too more'ish)

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Stoned Spiders!
Me and a few friends once got a fly stoned. We all sat watching the fly buzz around the light bulb and all blew our smoke in it's direction. After half an hour the fly slowly spralled down to the ground and sat there for an hour not moving. We were fascinated! :lol:
So, I think we have found Spidermans Kryptonite! ;7
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Re: Drugs and stuff... (no, not medicine...)
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!