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Offline Falcon

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Shivans are interstellar node-to-node salesmen and diplomats. Forced the GTVA into existance and sold them cool shield and beam tech, though the price was a bit expensive.
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Offline ]C[rusader

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
@Tyrian:
Regarding your theory, you may be interested in the following.  (And, your opinion about it would be welcomed.)

Excerpt From Reply #81, May 17, 2006
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,39302.msg810842.html#msg810842

Post-Ancients' Era
Eventually, the Shivans encounter a worthy opponent for the first time: the Guan-di.  The new species is not only quick to duplicate Shivan weapons and shields, but also smart enough to develop subspace-tracking technology...
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Offline aldo_14

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Once y'all have refined your theories, you can put them in the appropriate section of the Freespace wiki.

Why?

 

Offline Tyrian

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Post-Ancients' Era
Eventually, the Shivans encounter a worthy opponent for the first time: the Guan-di. 

Where did the Guan-Di race come from?  Was it a fan creation, or was that info released by :v:?

EDIT:  When did that new smiley get added?

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Offline Mars

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Post-Ancients' Era
Eventually, the Shivans encounter a worthy opponent for the first time: the Guan-di. 

Where did the Guan-Di race come from?  Was it a fan creation, or was that info released by :v:?


Just a hint... there are only three canonical species in the game.

Is it just me or does that name sound an awful lot like Gandhi?

Once y'all have refined your theories, you can put them in the appropriate section of the Freespace wiki.

Why?

For the sheer joy,,, if you read the wiki forum a couple of months bacj there was a small discussion about it, obviously they all have the non canon banner over them
« Last Edit: August 05, 2006, 09:20:19 am by Mars »

 
Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Just a hint... there are only three canonical species in the game.


Four. You forgot the Ancients.
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Offline Tyrian

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
So the Guan-Di aren't canon then...Disappointing...

Where did they come from then?
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Bush (Verb) -- To do stupid things with confidence.

This year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union Address occurred during the same week.  This is an ironic juxtaposition of events--one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog.

Bumper stickers at my college:
"Republicans for Voldemort!"
"Frodo failed.  Bush got the Ring."

Resistance is futile!  (If < 1 ohm...)

"Any nation which sacrifices a little liberty for a little security deserves neither and loses both." -- Benjamin Franklin

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Offline ]C[rusader

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
@Tyrian:
i'm sorry to disappoint you with the impression that anything i wrote could have been canon.  i genuinely thought the plotline would clearly come across as non-canon.

As for "where did the Guan-di come from", can you explain your question a bit more?  i don't understand exactly what you want to know.


@Mars:
Very amusing... but it isn't just you.  i didn't realise the similarity in the phonetics, since i never intended any connection between "Guan-di" and "Gandhi".  The name was the result of a deliberate search; i don't have the original article, but here is a similar one...

Excerpt from Encyclopedia Mythica
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/guan-di.html

"Emperor Guan", the Taoist god of war. He opposes all disturbers of the peace. He is charged with the task of guarding the realm against all external enemies, as well as internal rebels...
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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
I think he means: "where did you get the idea for the Guan-di?"
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Offline Mars

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Just a hint... there are only three canonical species in the game.


Four. You forgot the Ancients.

It's been a long day  :doubt:

 

Offline Tyrian

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
I think he means: "where did you get the idea for the Guan-di?"

Yeah, what he said.
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Bush (Verb) -- To do stupid things with confidence.

This year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union Address occurred during the same week.  This is an ironic juxtaposition of events--one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog.

Bumper stickers at my college:
"Republicans for Voldemort!"
"Frodo failed.  Bush got the Ring."

Resistance is futile!  (If < 1 ohm...)

"Any nation which sacrifices a little liberty for a little security deserves neither and loses both." -- Benjamin Franklin

Sig rising...

 

Offline ]C[rusader

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Ah, i see, thanks for clearing that up.  (i had wondered if the question was asking for a birthplace or historical origin.)

The idea just happened at random, really.  The FS2 story obviously has inspired many people to speculate, so i'm just another of the crowd.  My reply to Mars should help to explain the race's name --it seemed to make sense to stay with a deity-based theme.

As for the plotline itself, i share your opinion as far as "another race" being a key to the Shivans' behaviour throughout the game.  At the same time, though, i'm fully aware that a logical outcome might not be possible.  Writers do sometimes write themselves into corners where no satisfying reason can be given for whatever happens in a plot.  Or, a writer may start a project then abandon it in a state where any subsequent writer would struggle to find an ending.

Despite that, it still was entertaining to try making sense of events like the Capella detonation.  My thoughts on that evolved as such: subspace manipulations aren't typically undertaken near stars(?) --> subspace manipulations may disrupt stars(?) --> 80+ Shivan juggernauts all manipulating subspace might disrupt a star cataclysmically --> the cataclysm presumably creates a nebula --> the Shivans are known to use gas miners in a nebula --> the Capella nebula was intentionally created to supply gas(?) --> the nebula is a supply depot(?) --> military supply tends to use depots on defense --> the creation of the Capella nebula-depot means the Shivans are on defense(?)

Once one supposes that the Shivans are on defense, the next step is to suppose an aggressor.  Hence, the Guan-di.
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Offline S-99

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
guan-di...guano?
I wish i could make beam cannons out of that ****.
Maybe the shivans are running away from the **** smelling guan-di for thousands of years. Not being able to communicate with the shivans on part of language difference, they're chasing down the shivans after one fateful day in shivan history, where a shivan dropped its wallet.
The guan-di continually chase down the shivans saying, "we have your wallet,plz come back, so i can return it".
And then the shivans just said **** the wallet when the **** smelling guan-di are coming after them.
It's all about the smell, and the shivans are almost driven insane by it.
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Offline Charismatic

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
Not original but its amongst some of the more logical and sensical theories I've read.  So well done.

Could be a weapons test, or a repositioning of fleets, or perhaps the problem is not another species but subspace itself.
Personally, I'v never bought the whole 'use supspace and it will collapse the universe' theory. I think it is too dubious to be apart of the Freespace feel.
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Offline ]C[rusader

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Re: An Original (I Hope) Shivan Theory
[dies laughing from S-99's comment]
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