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Offline Corsair

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Mac v. PC - the great debate
hey everyone
so I'm getting ready to head off to college in a few weeks and I'm planning on getting a new laptop because my current one is being held together with packing tape at the moment. the school is encouraging us to buy through their tech department and I'm inclined to do so because it looks like I'll be getting a much better deal than if I go outside what with all the software I'm being offered and whatnot but this makes for a big choice: do I go Mac or stick with Windows?

It's either a MacBook Pro (OS X) or a Dell Latitude D820 (with XP but the school is offering a free upgrade to Vista as soon as it comes out). The core stats are all basically the same, so I'm wondering, what do people think? I'm especially interested to hear from anybody who has a MacBook Pro because I don't really know much about the system.

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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
you can run both operating systems on a MacBook and your battery won't go up in flames either...
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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
Indeed. Dell laptops have a tendancy to go Towering Inferno on you when you least expect it.

Go for the Mac. :yes:

 
Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
Well, Macs are supposed to be more user-friendly, as well as having slightly better software, but Windows is compatible with practically everything, while Mac isn't so much.
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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
The problem with OSX is that there still aren't too many programs that can run on it. OSX is a great OS, but it has major compatibility issues.....
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Well, Macs are supposed to be more user-friendly, as well as having slightly better software, but Windows is compatible with practically everything, while Mac isn't so much.

This is a non issue these days. Macs are now using PC hardware. With Apple's boot camp software, you can run both operating systems (XP/Vista and OS X) and switch between whichever one you need to use. Problem Solved.
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Here's my take on the situation.

Dell Latitude laptops are generally considered to be cheap, mass produced, bits of plastic and metling batteries. They've had some pretty massive recalls of some of their laptop battery line because of potential fire hazards.  Dell's support these days generally sucks and I'm not sure on what the warranty is but its probably 1 year.  If its less than that you shouldn't even look at it.  Windows is Windows...can't really go too wrong with a PC based laptop in that regard as we're all in the same boat there.

MacBook's have a similarly marked past as some of the Dells.  The MacBook in its current iteration is new...its the "Mark 1" MacBook.  The new "Mark 2" is due out in October or November.  These are probably going to be alot better than the current iteration which has had a share of manufacturing defects including some defective plastic casings (that were discoloring and possibly warping) and a heating duct that wasn't opened (plastic in the way) during final packaging so some MacBooks were overheating. Its not a fantastic history in itself...that said...Apple has rectified all of these issues and any MacBook you buy right now is likely to be new enough to have avoided all of these problems.  MacOS doesn't run every bit of software but its a fine operating system...its very mature now and works extremely well.  You will not get alot of problems with the current edition.  Its not perfect, it still hangs and crashes now and again if you do something silly with it, it has its share of security concerns, but compared to Windows its like a solid rock being compared to swiss cheese.  If your mission in life with the laptop are things like e-mail, web browsing, music listening, some light photo manipulation or organization, and all of that sort of thing then MacBook will do it right out of the box.  More pro stuff like Macromedia and Adobe suites are all cross platform and work exactly the same on MacOS as they do with Windows.  Compatibility between Windows and MacOS is a non issue these days as well.  Also...because of BootCamp...you can dual boot Windows and MacOS if you need a Windows critical piece of software to work.  Apparently most games work without a second thought as well...so its not a bad setup.

I'd suggest, and I'm not sure if its on your radar, to look at another PC laptop maker instead of Dell.  Dell is what everyone goes to...but its garbage cheap stuff.  Didn't used to be...but it is now.  They are the Walmart of computer companies.  I would STRONGLY suggest you compare the MacBook against comperable models from LG and Fujitsu.  They aren't well known for laptops but their laptop models are amongst the best on the market from everything from reliability to fit and finish.  They are Windows XP based...nearly all are using Intel Core so you're comparing straight against the MacBooks Intel Core and they are just as affordable without the recall issues.  LG and Fujitsu have a good track record for reliability so far...they are new to the market and they have to be good...so it works in your benefit.

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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
Get the Mac. If they have around the same specs, there's no advantage to getting the Windows laptop -- as others have said, you can just use Boot Camp to run Windows on the Mac for any situation you need it, whereas you can't run Mac on a Windows laptop. Say what you like about OS X, it's far more stable than XP and much more reliable for work.

  

Offline Deepblue

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Actually the battery problem isn't isolated to Dells. MacBooks had the same problem.

 

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Actually the battery problem isn't isolated to Dells. MacBooks had the same problem.
Oh-ho, is that so? :rolleyes:

 

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Actually the battery problem isn't isolated to Dells. MacBooks had the same problem.
Oh-ho, is that so? :rolleyes:


Didn't someone post a newscast that showed pictures of one going up in flames?
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Well, the number of stories of Dell laptops exploding is more worrying than the odd Macbook one. Statistically speaking you're probably more likely to get struck by lightning, anyway.

I'd go for the Macbook myself, if they're the same price and spec. Just don't become one of these Mac-loving yuppie snobs, please. :p

 

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Btw, what university are you going to?


Sooner or later macs will get their turn, unless someone gets a replacement for lithium ion batteries.
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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
i'm voting for the mac, but be carefull about holding it in your lap, thats a dangerous thing to do with or without the battery... the ****er is veeeery warm.


i learned it the hard way when i took friends macbook and put it in my lap... yowch!
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Oh sweet peppers............................



Why open up this can of worms?

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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
screw mac... their new OS is atleast fairly decent and technical superior to windows - but I hate their total fascism about hardware - proprietarization is bull****, don't buy from any company that engages in it.


plus macs are unreasonably more expensive
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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
screw mac... their new OS is atleast fairly decent and technical superior to windows - but I hate their total fascism about hardware - proprietarization is bull****, don't buy from any company that engages in it.


plus macs are unreasonably more expensive


All major OEMs use proprietary designs. When it comes to laptops there is simply no avoiding it.
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except for the entire mac overcharging for the equipment simply because they're "a name brand"
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Vista goes a long way towards rectifying Windows major problems. And that is out at the end of October, unless Microsoft delays it again. Considering the progress they've made since beta 2, i have a feeling it'll make the date.

As far as XP being less stable than Mac OS, i don't agree. As long as you aren't overclocking and you bought reputable hardware, windows is rock solid stable as well. Not to mention vastly more programs, almost every pro application that Macs have available, and some that they don't. Oh, yeah and games. Hey, i'm for open source as much as the next guy, but i also like playing stuff like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic... not gonna happen on a Mac.

Vista is technologically on par with, or superior to, Mac OS Tiger. That's not to say OS X isn't a cool operating system. It is. However, my personal dislike for Apple precludes me from wanting to use it. If Apple licensed their operating system out instead of artificially tying it to their expensive proprietary platforms, (and then acting like they're better than MS) I'd feel alot better about using it.
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Re: Mac v. PC - the great debate
I would give a slight edge to the Dell. They are both strictly bottom tier in terms of construction quality, but Dell typically offers longer warranties from what I've seen (may vary in your case though) and should use more standarized, upgradable components, at least compared to Apple. Although it really depends on how much you like OS X.

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As far as XP being less stable than Mac OS, i don't agree. As long as you aren't overclocking and you bought reputable hardware, windows is rock solid stable as well. Not to mention vastly more programs, almost every pro application that Macs have available, and some that they don't.

Yeah, stability problems are rarely related to the OS these days and have more to do with specific programs misbehaving and hardware faults. (although you can overclock just fine if you do it right)