[Janos]

This is exciting! Prove this

The program cost for the F-22 is something along the lines of $90+ billion....


The total debt is $8.5+ trillion, and $300 billion is going to be added to it again soon. It's only a matter of time before China stops bankrolling projects like this. When that happens, then what?

Then Chinese economy tanks. Why would they do something like that? US GDP is still growing.

Based on what the western intelligence knows about them, they have impressive airframes and unprecented manouverability but in terms of electronics fall seriously behind their western counterparts.

True, then again nothing that a good old refit can't take care of.
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Well the problem here is that the Western countries have a huge lead on knowhow and that's exactly what's keeping the Russians back. And airframes are quite complicated, not everything can be done with simple retrofits.

[Kosh]

Then Chinese economy tanks. Why would they do something like that? US GDP is still growing.

US economic growth is on borrowed time.

Well the problem here is that the Western countries have a huge lead on knowhow and that's exactly what's keeping the Russians back. And airframes are quite complicated, not everything can be done with simple retrofits.

True, but electrical systems can be ripped out and replaced. They could even integrate the new electrical systems into the existing design, so future Su/MiG whatevers would have that capability.

[Janos]

Then Chinese economy tanks. Why would they do something like that? US GDP is still growing.

US economic growth is on borrowed time.

So is Chinese, ever more than US. And European, and Japanese, and damn everyone. Just how would US economy collapse and just why would China want to do something that removes their biggest sponsor and supporter? Talk about digging your own hole.

Well the problem here is that the Western countries have a huge lead on knowhow and that's exactly what's keeping the Russians back. And airframes are quite complicated, not everything can be done with simple retrofits.

True, but electrical systems can be ripped out and replaced. They could even integrate the new electrical systems into the existing design, so future Su/MiG whatevers would have that capability.

They are not cross-compatible. And it's not just wire and disks, it's the workshops and scientists and programs. Which are quite well protected. See the F-35 farce for an example.

[Unknown Target]

It's not a simple matter of just "refitting" an aircraft with more advanced components. First of all, you actually have to have those in the first place. Russia, for the most part, does not have that.

And the Berkut...god knows where that thing is. It's been around for what, ten years? I remember videos of it from quite awhile ago, yet no progress.

[IceFire]

So is Chinese, ever more than US. And European, and Japanese, and damn everyone. Just how would US economy collapse and just why would China want to do something that removes their biggest sponsor and supporter? Talk about digging your own hole.

One of the top buyers of US debt is Iran.  Imagine they call up saying they want their money back...

China is now in the lead for buying US debt, Japan is some ways back now.  Iran is growing its ownership of American debt...I'd be worried.

[Mefustae]

Japan is some ways back now.

And yet, I recall it being in the trillions at one stage. At least, I hope so, as it's intergral to my plan for World Domination.

[IceFire]

Japan is some ways back now.

And yet, I recall it being in the trillions at one stage. At least, I hope so, as it's intergral to my plan for World Domination.

I'm sure your plan will succeed

[Mefustae]

Japan is some ways back now.

And yet, I recall it being in the trillions at one stage. At least, I hope so, as it's intergral to my plan for World Domination.

I'm sure your plan will succeed

Just for that, you shall have control of Fiji in the New World Order.

[NGTM-1R]

One of the top buyers of US debt is Iran.  Imagine they call up saying they want their money back...

Where'd you hear this? IIRC sharia law prohibits this kind of thing for some reason or another, which means a lot of Mid-East countries have tons of money and no real presence in the finanicial world.

Or maybe I'm confusing buying debt with something else.

[IceFire]

One of the top buyers of US debt is Iran.  Imagine they call up saying they want their money back...

Where'd you hear this? IIRC sharia law prohibits this kind of thing for some reason or another, which means a lot of Mid-East countries have tons of money and no real presence in the finanicial world.

Or maybe I'm confusing buying debt with something else.

Well I haven't done extensive research but it was on CNN the other night.  TV makes everything true right!?  I was a bit shocked to hear such a thing from CNN.  I can't say for certain.