[Turnsky]

whoever says one is better than the other can now suck it 

[Cyker]

Likely to be ludicrously expensive, and probably can't read DVDs or CDs 'tho.

I don't care about films, so I'd just wish BluRay would win, but both formats aren't very good - There is precious little on the durability of the discs, espescially the dyes, and frankly if they deteriorate anywhere near as quickly as DVD+/-Rs then I'm staying the hell away from them!

With CDs the larger pits means the dye degradation can be mitigated, but on DVD's its pretty bad and on these new formats it'd probably make the discs unreadable after a single year of summer/winter cycle!

[aldo_14]

They're both overpriced, pointless **** that exists solely to cram our DVD players full of crappy DRM that means we have (I'm not even sure if this is a humourous exaggeration any more...) to buy new discs for every player.

[Turnsky]

Likely to be ludicrously expensive, and probably can't read DVDs or CDs 'tho.

I don't care about films, so I'd just wish BluRay would win, but both formats aren't very good - There is precious little on the durability of the discs, espescially the dyes, and frankly if they deteriorate anywhere near as quickly as DVD+/-Rs then I'm staying the hell away from them!

With CDs the larger pits means the dye degradation can be mitigated, but on DVD's its pretty bad and on these new formats it'd probably make the discs unreadable after a single year of summer/winter cycle!

actually, it can aparrently read all optical formats.

either way, aldo, you wouldn't haveta worry about wasting money on either format if it doesn't work out.

[aldo_14]

Likely to be ludicrously expensive, and probably can't read DVDs or CDs 'tho.

I don't care about films, so I'd just wish BluRay would win, but both formats aren't very good - There is precious little on the durability of the discs, espescially the dyes, and frankly if they deteriorate anywhere near as quickly as DVD+/-Rs then I'm staying the hell away from them!

With CDs the larger pits means the dye degradation can be mitigated, but on DVD's its pretty bad and on these new formats it'd probably make the discs unreadable after a single year of summer/winter cycle!

actually, it can aparrently read all optical formats.

either way, aldo, you wouldn't haveta worry about wasting money on either format if it doesn't work out.

I wouldn't worry, anyways; I'll just stick with good old fashioned DVD thankyouverymuch.

[Fury]

I wouldn't worry, anyways; I'll just stick with good old fashioned DVD thankyouverymuch.

Indeed. I don't see much reason to jump into the BluRay and HD-DVD bandwagon, and I guess that the majority of current DVD-player and DVD-drive owners will skip them too. Which is a good thing IMHO, maybe next time they get things right from customers point of view.

[Colonol Dekker]

I'm giving it 5 years to see how the market takes to the format before forking out. Its nice to have a dual reader option though.

[Turnsky]

I wouldn't worry, anyways; I'll just stick with good old fashioned DVD thankyouverymuch.

true enough, seeing how long it took the DVD's to be used for gaming, it'd be at least a decade before its use would be warrented on a PC.

[Scuddie]

But DVD greatly took off once game consoles were using them as the standard media storage for their titles.  On the flip side, DVD saturation was VERY low before consoles used them.  Hell, if not for the PS2, DVD very well could have gone the way of VCD.

And Aldo, that's what people were saying about DVD before it came popular.  People were happy with VHS, but now they probably wont ever want it again.  With your good old fashioned DVD, you're limited to 480p anyhow.

[Kosh]

DVD very well could have gone the way of VCD.

VCD wasn't exactly a failed format.........

[Deepblue]

As far as I'm concerned, the need isn't there. Upscaled DVDs look fine for all but AVphiles.

Scuddie, that's a myth perpetuated by Sony to try and emphasize the "need" for Blu-Ray. DVDs were well on the way to success before being implemented in game consoles.

[Scuddie]

VCD wasn't exactly a failed format...

I didnt say it failed.  I implied that it didnt have a big market.

And deepblue, that has to be the biggest load of horse**** that you've ever spewed from your ass.  That was no myth.  I remember it like it happened 8 years ago.  The first implementations were flawed, the audio and video quality was terrible, and the discs and players were pricey as hell.  Decent players back then cost well above $300, and titles went for some $25 or so.  The DVD standard was in it's infancy, and was struggling.  The PS2 was the first console to widely use DVD, and after its release in Japan, and again in the US, DVD titles soared.  I remember those days because I was well into the scene back then.  Say...  What were you doing 8 years ago that made you remember differently?

[Turnsky]

you guys do realise that this all harkens back to VHS vs Betamax.

game consoles to make use of the DVD format helped to bring it out of the slump and to popularise the tech, but in reality, the PC did too, out of sheer need of it. having a game on a single DVD makes more sense than having it on like 8 CD's (see Unreal Tourney 2004).
However, some devs still use CD's.

as far as i'm concerned, when playing video, a DVD is better than VHS, simply because the sound is digital and thus doesn't have a slight 'hiss' in the sound playback whenever you turn the volume up, visibly though, when it's clear, one doesn't really see all that difference in the quality on a standard definition TV.

with all this blue-ray/hd-dvd war, all i'm thinking of is the expanded capacity of the respective formats, for consoles, this could be a good thing, however since the PS3 is gonna be the ONLY console using the next generation of optical formats, i can't help but feel that they're not gonna create that much of a market for it. It's phenominally high price tag compared to other consoles is gonna scare off all but the most ardent (and rich) of Sony fans (they exist.... i think).

Either way, i'd hold out on looking for another format of optical disc until at least the next generation of consoles is being released, or the generation after that. Because then we'll see the real format battles begin.

[Kosh]

I implied that it didnt have a big market.

So Asia isn't a big market?

[WMCoolmon]

Upscaled DVDs look fine for all but AVphiles.

"640k ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates

[SadisticSid]

you guys do realise that this all harkens back to VHS vs Betamax.

game consoles to make use of the DVD format helped to bring it out of the slump and to popularise the tech, but in reality, the PC did too, out of sheer need of it. having a game on a single DVD makes more sense than having it on like 8 CD's (see Unreal Tourney 2004).
However, some devs still use CD's.

as far as i'm concerned, when playing video, a DVD is better than VHS, simply because the sound is digital and thus doesn't have a slight 'hiss' in the sound playback whenever you turn the volume up, visibly though, when it's clear, one doesn't really see all that difference in the quality on a standard definition TV.

with all this blue-ray/hd-dvd war, all i'm thinking of is the expanded capacity of the respective formats, for consoles, this could be a good thing, however since the PS3 is gonna be the ONLY console using the next generation of optical formats, i can't help but feel that they're not gonna create that much of a market for it. It's phenominally high price tag compared to other consoles is gonna scare off all but the most ardent (and rich) of Sony fans (they exist.... i think).

Either way, i'd hold out on looking for another format of optical disc until at least the next generation of consoles is being released, or the generation after that. Because then we'll see the real format battles begin.

Actually the use of DVDs is only a recent development for game publishers... 2 years ago it was unheard of until I think it was Far Cry came along. It'll probably continue for a good while as well - there just aren't any games that have more than 14GB of assets (2 DVDs' worth), which is still economical considering multi-CD games were out shortly after they first started coming out on CD.

[Fury]

"640k ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates

As lovable as that quote is, he never said so.

[WMCoolmon]

Ugh. 

Dammit Bill Gates, how could you have let me down? 

[Kosh]

"640k ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates

As lovable as that quote is, he never said so.

What did he say then?

[Fury]

There's no citation associated with the quote, so it is not based on anything Gates has said. It is nothing more than a joke which then did spread like a wildfire and most people just assumed it's true without checking for citation, which does not exist.