[Sandwich]

Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.

[vyper]

Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.

Thats hardly the point. The point is certain people may take it as such.

[Blue Lion]

And they will be wrong.

[karajorma]

Thats hardly the point. The point is certain people may take it as such.

Doesn't matter. Paying entry to a nightclub doesn't automatically permit you to grope all the women and urinate on the managers desk (and if it does can someone tell me which nightclub )

Same rules apply here.

[Blue Lion]

Do you dislike nightclub managers?

[achtung]

So, how much have we got thus far?  So I can donate more if it's needed.

[karajorma]

Do you dislike nightclub managers?

Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye

[ME$$ENGER]

I came across this page that lists some adsense alternatives:

http://www.associateprograms.com/articles/208/1/Adsense-Competitors-and-Alternatives

I don't exactly know how they work though.

[an0n]

Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.

What if I put 'Michael Cohen' on the cheque?

[vyper]

Do you dislike nightclub managers?

Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye

Just don't ask for money back when a gambling machine eats it. There are... stories about The Garage, and people getting swift kickings.

[Blue Lion]

Do you dislike nightclub managers?

Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye

If you don't think peeing on the manager's desk is gonna get you an ass whooping, I have surprising news.

Also I'm gonna have to donate sometime today or tommorow.

[karajorma]

I think you misunderstood me. I was well aware it would get you your arse kicked. That was my whole point. Just because you pay to get into a nightclub, even if you pay VIP prices it doesn't mean you won't get beaten up and ejected if you misbehave.

Same thing applies to HLP donations.

[Mobius]

Same thing applies to HLP donations.

About these donations,first Sandwich said "200$ per month or 2400$ per year".
The second choice is far better.There could pass months with no sufficient $ to maintain the host gained.With an "XXX$ left" label or something else we can all see how many $stuff is required to reach those 2400.
Is it a good idea?

[Sandwich]

Well, currently we're at $350, so there's a long ways yet to go... Thanks to everyone who's donated so far, though.

[Shade]

'Tis not bad for barely a week's worth of donations. And 200/mo is actually suprisingly little when spread over a forum population, even if only 50 feel like donating that's only 4$ per person per month

[hurleybird]

You guys are paying $57/month for hosting? Assuming that at least a couple of the admins/owners of this site are grownups and have paying jobs (which is hopefully a pretty safe assumption) why should this amount be so difficult to scrounge up amoungst yourselves? Look at wcnews, they are completely ad-less, have more traffic, and pay more for hosting than you guys, yet the owners of still pay for hosting out of their own pockets. I don't think any of them are past their 20's either. I don't want to seem mean or anything (I did still donate, BTW), but shouldn't you guys be able to handle something as low as $57/month by yourselves?

[Herra Tohtori]

Well, AFAIK Sandwich HAS been paying this whole thing from his own pockets for some time (don't know for how long), and thus your message quite nullifies itself.

Secondly, as you would know if you hadstudied the matter more, the current shared hosting service used sucks bits occasionally, which has resulted in intolerable technical problems lately, mainly too much downtime.

So, the HLP (and Game Warden) are going to get a dedicated server. However, dedicated servers cost a lot more than shared hosting solutions. The estimated money flow (for ideal server solution) will increase to about 200$ a month, 2400$ a year... I'm sure you understand that it would be unfair to presume that a few people on the forums would be willing to pay that much. Even for ten people to pay, it would still be 240$ a year.

But if you get even a hundred donators, the price per year per capita reduces to only 24$. More donators, less stress on individual pockets.

Plus, it's awesomely adolescent behaviour to go suggesting things like that. It's like "Hey, you're a big car dealer. Why don't you give me free car with all the special equipment there can be, and you pay the importer? You've got monet and I want a car."

In this analogy, the devs and admins are already working hard to get you the car with all the equipment, and now you want them also to pay for it...?

[Sandwich]

Basically, Herra's right. HLP's not in imminent danger of going under - at least, not financially (server stability is another matter). And even if the donations do not end up matching the need, the adminship is willing to shoulder whatever needs to be shouldered to keep this place running. I'm not a money-hungry despot; paying for HLP out of my own pocket - even though my time here is not what it used to be in the past - does not bother me too much - as long as it's a necessity. If people are willing to donate money to help HLP out, that's wonderful, and I certainly am not going to refuse them simply because I am financially capable of keeping HLP afloat and living my real life at the same time.

[an0n]

* an0n translates

"I need beer money, *****es...."

[Sandwich]

Shush, you!!