[redmenace]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770

[Mefustae]

He said: "People will disregard evidence it if causes their faith to be shattered. I think we were all shocked. And then, when the voice of authority told us what happened, we just believed it."

You've got to admit, he makes a valid point. Just because it's a tragic event doesn't mean all avenues should not be explored.

Also:

To plant bombs in three buildings with enough bomb materials and wiring? It's too huge a project and would require far too many people to keep it a secret afterwards.

So? A bunch of errant fanatics managed to orchestrate a synchronised hijacking of four seperate planes across the continental United States without the CIA & FBI getting more than a whiff, so why are bombs completely out of the question?

[aldo_14]

Daily Mail = utter bollocks.

[karajorma]

The FBI did get a whiff though. They knew both that the terrorists were in the USA and that they were attending a flight school. They just didn't put two and two together.

As for that melting steel crap just about any sensible person knows that iron can loose tensile strength when heated. You only need look at how they hammered red hot steel into swords and horseshoes to see that. Steel is exactly the same. When hot it's weaker. You don't need to melt it to have that effect.

I'm not saying that there may not be a conspiracy behind 9/11 but whatever it was this evidence is a load of **** and should be treated that way.

[redmenace]

Daily Mail = utter bollocks.

Ok, doesn't mean the article isn't untrue or doesn't summ up their positions.

[Mefustae]

Daily Mail = utter bollocks.

Ok, doesn't mean the article isn't untrue or doesn't summ up their positions.

It probably does, actually.

[redmenace]

Well, hoping to avoid a pointless debate, I have no idea who they are so I will leave it as that. The real point to the thread is really an admission.

[Bobboau]

'all I'm saying is both theories should be taught'

[Mefustae]

Well, hoping to avoid a pointless debate, I have no idea who they are so I will leave it as that. The real point to the thread is really an admission.

An admission of what? You really haven't made it all that clear who you're "agreeing" with.

[Mathwiz6]

'all I'm saying is both theories should be taught'

That sounds oddly familiar....

[aldo_14]

Daily Mail = utter bollocks.

Ok, doesn't mean the article isn't untrue or doesn't summ up their positions.

It's inevitably sensationalised pish.  You, clearly, don't know the Daily Mail.

[Wobble73]

Well, hoping to avoid a pointless debate, I have no idea who they are so I will leave it as that. The real point to the thread is really an admission.

It's inevitably sensationalised pish.  You, clearly, don't know the Daily Mail.

I think thats what he meant?

[Taristin]

'all I'm saying is both theories should be taught'

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[redmenace]

Well, hoping to avoid a pointless debate, I have no idea who they are so I will leave it as that. The real point to the thread is really an admission.

An admission of what? You really haven't made it all that clear who you're "agreeing" with.

Agreeing with the conspiracy crowd. The more I see, for instance, the object hitting the Pentagon the more I tend to with those that say the there was a conspiracy behind it.

[vyper]

See the problem here is that while I do accept that a lot of the 9/11 story is fishy, to say the least, I also can't accept the perception of the supposed terrorits involved in it as being: "19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan".

It comes back to the one bit of Black Hawk Down that I really enjoyed, during an interrogation where one man says: "Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because I grew up without running water, that I am a fool."

bin Laden, his cohorts and most other islamic extremists are not idiots. They are not uneducated cave dwellers sitting coming up with pipe dreams of how to kill infidel. They are well educated, tactically minded "soldiers", if you will, who are very capable of pulling something like this off.

That's not to say they did, but to automatically dismiss the possibility based on a false perception of their ability does not lend credit to these gentlemen and their theory.

[aldo_14]

The problem for these sorts of conspiracy theories, for me, is which is more likely; this thing happening and leaving some unexplained questions (or just complicated answers), or some convoluted set of planned contrivances that answer every single little possible question and get carried out without a shred of evidence being left behind.

[an0n]

No government in the history of mankind has ever been capable of keeping a secret.

Even the military has a tough time of it.

The American people just like to think they're invincible - that a few terrorists sitting around talking could come up with a way to hurt them, and pull it off without the ever-vigilant, all-pervasive security organizations catching them in the act. It's always got to be some huge, sprawling conspiracy involving thousands of intricate details and evil people, and the US Government betraying the people. It can never just be a bunch of guys who didn't like them getting lucky.

Anyone who has ever seen a ****ing brick-shed collapse knows that the Twin Towers were not a controlled detonation. They didn't collapse or explode, they ****ing crumbled.

But, y'know, even if the CIA did explode them - what the **** else were they gonna do? Just let two huge pillars of concrete topple over onto the rest of the city? Grow up.

As for the Pentagon, I actually do think there was something fishy going on there. Like a missile. C'z it sounds a lot better going "Oh yeah, there was a third plane that hit the Pentagon", than telling a room full of reporters "Plane? No, they smuggled a long-range tactical missile into the country, set it up and launched it at the US military HQ from 50 miles away."

[karajorma]

Somehow I doubt it was a missile though. The White House would have made a much better target and was only saved by the fact that the 4th plane didn't make it. The White House was obviously left for last as the coup de gras of the attack. If they had a missile that would have been the target.

The only place I'd be willing to believe a conspiracy exists is with the 4th plane. I've got no problem believing that it was shot down and covered up. In the wake of 9/11 no one would want to deal with the mess that would be caused from letting the public know that. Far better to tell America that everyone died as heroes.

Not that I believe that is what happened but if the evidence was uncovered to prove that it did go down that way I wouldn't be surprised. The reason I'd buy it is that it is a much easier thing to conceal and there is a motive to conceal it that people would have found morally acceptable.

But a whole big government plot to blow up the towers and not one person thinks "Hey. I don't agree with killing 3000 US citizens" I just don't buy that.

[Flipside]

Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you Kara, but I can't help thinking back to those plans for initiating a War with Cuba that surfaced a while ago....

[karajorma]

Oh I agree with that. I don't doubt that there are bastards in the US government who would be willing to try an Operation Northwoods like conspiracy. What I doubt is that they'd ever be able to get enough people together who would go along with it.

Remember that if the secret ever did come out those responsible would be dead. Either by assassination or by the courts. I very much doubt that anyone in the current goverment is brave enough to take that risk.