[Nuke]

Hollywood have been complete morons for the past year......

In that time, I have seen perhaps three good films. There was a time, long ago, when there seemed to be a good movie every month.... 


When series reach a 4, hell even a 3, with few exceptions it is time for them to die.

year? are you kidding, try 8 or 9 years.

[Roanoke]

T1 rocked.

T2 was a decent sequel.

T3 suck serious ass.

T4 ? My god no. Please.

You seriously think T1 is better than T2?

I prefered it, but that's not to say T2 wasn't a decent film too. Well I did untill my T1 disc got a scratch or something and refuses to play beyond Sarah's arrival at the cop shop

[Dave2040]

I want to see Robert Patrick as T-1000 again, he was so freakin EVIL
Personaly I think, he was the better Terminator than Schwarzeneger.

[Sandwich]

year? are you kidding, try 8 or 9 years.

LOTR 1, 2, & 3. V for Vendetta. Memento. Fight Club. Matrix. American History X. Saving Pvt Ryan. The Incredibles. Finding Nemo. Kill Bill 1 & 2. The Green Mile. Gladiator.

Need I go on?

[Nuke]

maybe 3 of those were worth watching twice, and no, they werent the lotr movies!
the lotr series brought new levels of suckage to the big screen.

[Mr. Vega]

Memento was an independant film.

[Nuke]

yea, indie films dont count, as theyre always good and are not affected by the trendy suckage that occures in hollywood

[TrashMan]

LOTR 1, 2, & 3. V for Vendetta. Memento. Fight Club. Matrix. American History X. Saving Pvt Ryan. The Incredibles. Finding Nemo. Kill Bill 1 & 2. The Green Mile. Gladiator.

Need I go on?

You can't count LOTR for real in that list.

Those are movies that get new sequels when peopel get hunry for more money...the script/stroy is written after the original, fast and usualyl with little inspiration or logical ties.

the whole LOTR stroy was written as a whole, and it would be impossible to put it in a single movie.

[NGTM-1R]

no, they werent the lotr movies!
the lotr series brought new levels of suckage to the big screen.

Congradulations, you have just proved yourself totally incompetent to judge. Sucka.

[WMCoolmon]

LOTR 1, 2, & 3. V for Vendetta. Memento. Fight Club. Matrix. American History X. Saving Pvt Ryan. The Incredibles. Finding Nemo. Kill Bill 1 & 2. The Green Mile. Gladiator.

Need I go on?

You can't count LOTR for real in that list.

You dispute the fact that the movies were released in the last 8-9 years?

[Nuke]

no, they werent the lotr movies!
the lotr series brought new levels of suckage to the big screen.

Congradulations, you have just proved yourself totally incompetent to judge. Sucka.

those movies werent that good. sure they had nice special effects. but thats not what a movie is. youre just a biased tolkien fanboy.

[WMCoolmon]

No, you just seem to have fallen into the trap of over-intellectualizing a movie. This is something that seems common to indie fanbois - rather than just say that they liked the movie, they instead point to camera or writing gimmicks that aren't found in big-name movies. Why? Because Indie movies can't compete in the area of special effects, have less of a range of actors to draw on, must work with limited sets, limited equipment, etc etc.

While in reality, there is no universal equation known to mankind that makes a "good movie" - except for the people who choose to believe it, and critique a movie rather than simply sit down and enjoy it.

[BlackDove]

There was nothing to enjoy about the abysmal-ness regarding the LOTR movies. The story had some merit for being turned into a movie, but the execution of the adaptation was horrendous.

This would have been something to "sit down and enjoy".

LOTR blew.

[WMCoolmon]

This would have been something to "sit down and enjoy".

 

EDIT: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/saruman2.jpg

[Nuke]

No, you just seem to have fallen into the trap of over-intellectualizing a movie. This is something that seems common to indie fanbois - rather than just say that they liked the movie, they instead point to camera or writing gimmicks that aren't found in big-name movies. Why? Because Indie movies can't compete in the area of special effects, have less of a range of actors to draw on, must work with limited sets, limited equipment, etc etc.

While in reality, there is no universal equation known to mankind that makes a "good movie" - except for the people who choose to believe it, and critique a movie rather than simply sit down and enjoy it.

last year, when we had all the primium channels, hbo, showtime ect. i noticed i watched the independant film channel (which came with basic cable) more than any of the hundred or so so-called movie channels. i decided to cancel the damn movie channels cause they werent worth the money.

the fact of the matter is anyone can act. hell i could probibly act if i really wanted to. big name actors suffer from the same problems as pop musicians. they eventually get to the point where there fame is more important than their acting (or the music of said pop musicians). they thusly fall into the sterotype and loose all identity.

then theyres the writing, hollywood writing seems to be all carbon copys of eachother. writers arent allowd the freedom to just write something, when they submit a script to the higher ups, they go over it with a fine tooth comb. pick what they like and tell the writers to re-write what they dont. by now those writers are pissed so they just throw new stuff together that has no real artistic value to it. so the whole script looses its artistic quality. by the time the script gets though the editing process its nothing like what the writer had intended. if the script sucks the movie sucks.

next point, remakes. hollywood has completely ran out of ideas. at least indie films have the balls to try out new plot ideas. revamping old ideas is stagnation to me. 9 times out of 10, i like the original movie better. special effects are worthless unless you can back them up with good writing and convencing characters. i miss the action flicks that came out in the mid 90s, there were so many good ones, too many to list. they had effects, they had good acting, and convincable characters.

as for over intelectuallizing movies, i doubt it. inelectuality doesnt entertain me. if i want intelectualism il go to a library. to me movies are an artform. art != intelectualism. some of my favorite indies werent very intelectual at all (gummo for one). there is no trap. i just enjoy seeing movies i havent seen before.

[Sandwich]

EDIT: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/saruman2.jpg

Yeah, I remember when I went to The Two Towers with a bunch of friends here; when Saruman showed his face for the first time, one of my friends couldn't help but burst out with "It's Sheikh Yassin!" HIGHlarious stuff ensued. I think I missed a minute or two of the movie to laughing.

[WMCoolmon]

Anyone can act, but not necessarily well, and not necessarily in a manner that people like. Those who can act well will be in higher demand. Those in higher demand can demand higher wages. Those in Hollywood can offer the highest wages. It's simply capitalism at work

Collaboration is not necessarily a bad thing. As a director, I would be pretty pissed if an exchange went: "Listen, I really liked the script, but there are a couple things that I wanted to change..." "Hey **** you." As a producer, they would probably end up being fired after ignoring the words "completely over-budget" for about the fifth time. Of course by this point, as an actor, I could very well be completely clueless as to how I was supposed to make a sweeping gesture with my right arm when it had clearly been lost from bomb shrapnel five scenes ago.

Now granted, not every movie may have such colorful examples, but there are reasons for the script getting changed. In many cases, I imagine that the writer said "Gee, it really worked well in my head, but when I saw it onscreen, it totally works better that way" Not that they would ever admit it, of course.

Having the balls to do like everyone else in your own group is doing is not really having the balls at all. I'm sure I can come up with some new idea that hasn't been done, such as a story about Custer Flapjacks in the grand star cluster of Darwinia, which is ruled by the naive yet peaceful Dinosaur race that emerged from the womb of Mother Sheriff, the galactic apple tree, three zeellusssions ago. The end of the movie would be the powerful yet graceful herd mother dinosaur (literally) torn about by spontaneous insanity, raping The Colonel to death as he fought back with a bendy straw.

I doubt many people would appreciate that movie, though...

[Mefustae]

Having the balls to do like everyone else in your own group is doing is not really having the balls at all. I'm sure I can come up with some new idea that hasn't been done, such as a story about Custer Flapjacks in the grand star cluster of Darwinia, which is ruled by the naive yet peaceful Dinosaur race that emerged from the womb of Mother Sheriff, the galactic apple tree, three zeellusssions ago. The end of the movie would be the powerful yet graceful herd mother dinosaur (literally) torn about by spontaneous insanity, raping The Colonel to death as he fought back with a bendy straw.

I doubt many people would appreciate that movie, though...

Howard, you've done it again! *Hands over large sack of cash*

[TrashMan]

no, they werent the lotr movies!
the lotr series brought new levels of suckage to the big screen.

Congradulations, you have just proved yourself totally incompetent to judge. Sucka.

those movies werent that good. sure they had nice special effects. but thats not what a movie is. youre just a biased tolkien fanboy.

IS he? Or are you biased?

The adaptation of the book was superbly done. (for the most part..there are some tings, especially in hte 3Rd part for which I can never forgive Peter Jackson)  Honestly, I didn't think anyone could pull it off. It was a massive undertaking and it turn out great.

Sure it could have been better if he stuck even closer to the book and if did't "holywoodyize" it so (Legolas + shield surfing...ick!)
but actualyl calling it a suckie move is the BIGGEST piece of biased c*** I ever heard...