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Offline Kosh

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The death of BASIC
on: September 15, 2006, 01:07:03 am
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/index.html


It's a rather interesting point of view really.......
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline brozozo

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #1 on: September 15, 2006, 01:17:15 am
The article sounded interesting, and I would have read it, but you have jump through various hoops to read it all.

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #2 on: September 15, 2006, 02:27:39 am
that guy is obsessed with basic.

basic isn't even a good language for learning, tbh. what you learn in it is bad coding. C programmers like to say that goto is evil, well, BASIC illustrates that very point excellently. what he should've done instead is find a nice object oriented programming language, such as Ruby, and used this book. but then again, kid wouldn't like c++ at all after trying some of that ruby drug.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #3 on: September 15, 2006, 03:25:20 am
BASIC was quite hard work really. I won't weep for it too much.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #4 on: September 15, 2006, 03:36:50 am
the only good thing about basic was "nibbles"  :p
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #5 on: September 15, 2006, 04:01:00 am
Teach 'em LISP.

Once you know LISP, everything else is merely a subset.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #6 on: September 15, 2006, 04:03:21 am
Basic wasn't that bad... albiet missing quite a few functional  function-oriented features.

Course C#/Java projects say pointers are evil and C illustrates that point  :P
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #7 on: September 15, 2006, 04:04:22 am
Hell why not just teach them brain****  :nervous:  :lol:  :drevil:
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #8 on: September 15, 2006, 04:33:40 am
Quote from: Descenterace on September 15, 2006, 04:01:00 am
Teach 'em LISP.

Once you know LISP, everything else is merely a subset.

LISP is a bit like sex, you just don't get it. ;)
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #9 on: September 15, 2006, 04:34:17 am
I do it's called Prolog.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #10 on: September 15, 2006, 04:43:32 am
PHP FTW



and this i suspect is why noone wants to program, they rahterp lay games
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Offline Kosh

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #11 on: September 15, 2006, 04:47:11 am
My first crack at coding was with Visual Basic. I thought it was reasonably good for beginners, as it was intuitive and you could single step the program execution. Also the M$ helpfiles, as technical as they are, were somewhat helpful and they were very complete (which was greatly appreciated in my VB class).


EDIT: But he does have a point about today's kids being lazy as hell..........
« Last Edit: September 15, 2006, 04:51:17 am by Kosh »
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #12 on: September 15, 2006, 04:53:32 am
What I would suggest for anyone interested in lower level programming to get a programmable graphical calculator and try some assembler programming. That way you don't need to get an obsolete computer, and it's dead useful at mathematics classes too... and it's portable. TI-86 is quite nice thing to have :nod:

Heck, now that I think of it I invented object oriented programming autonomously (in a way) when I divided my programs into modules that put out different things depending on input... I believe they would be called "methods" in Java, except that these methods would be just parts of a main method...

I think there was even a possibility to call other programs in during running another program... Not unlike Java classes. :nervous:

Why do we even need anything else than assembler? Functions you say? Well WRITE those functions, at least you know what the program does and you're not just feeding attributes to readily given method of Math class that does some chewing and then spits out something that you just accept to be the correct answer... :nervous:


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Offline Kosh

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #13 on: September 15, 2006, 04:57:05 am
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TI-86 is quite nice thing to have



TI-86? Pffft. TI-89 FTW!!!!!!!
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #14 on: September 15, 2006, 05:10:45 am
Yeah, yeah... :doubt:

 ;)

TI-86 has sufficient properties for me as a calculator. If I want something fancy I'll do it with Mathematica. :nod:


I'll not be able to use the TI in exams anyway, we have a rule that only function calculators are allowed... in physics exams.

In matehmatics exams, we are usually not allowed to use calculators of any kind. :shaking:
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #15 on: September 15, 2006, 05:52:36 am
Just out of curiosity, how hard is java and lisp compared to c++?
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #16 on: September 15, 2006, 07:11:39 am
ive programmed in basic and in c / c++ back in highschool. so i know the basics of programming. but it was never something i wanted to persue. my instructors at the time thought id be better off doing graphics. with what i can do now, it seems they were right.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #17 on: September 15, 2006, 09:07:29 am
Quote from: Ghostavo on September 15, 2006, 05:52:36 am
Just out of curiosity, how hard is java and lisp compared to c++?

Java is a bit easier because you don't need to learn about pointers and don't have to worry about memory leaks. But there isn't that much in it between the two. In fact the first few lessons in both languages will be almost identical as the basic concepts are the same.
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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #18 on: September 15, 2006, 10:37:50 am
Quote from: Kosh on September 15, 2006, 04:57:05 am
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TI-86 is quite nice thing to have



TI-86? Pffft. TI-89 FTW!!!!!!!

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Re: The death of BASIC
Reply #19 on: September 15, 2006, 11:07:49 am
the hell!? if you want a solid calculator without the added stuff, get an 83, the 89 rocks hard on many levels, there is no excuse for the 86, it's slower than the 83, with fewer features.
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