[karajorma]

I considered that and one fact that neither you, nuclear1 nor AqueousShadow mentioned.


There were a lot of people who didn't vote. Roll them in with the idiots and you do have a majority. See?

Oh and while we're at it Bush did win by 5 million votes overall. Even though that isn't relevent to the way your political process works it is relevent when foreigners try to decide if the population of the USA are mostly idiots.

[Polpolion]

Wow. If the USA had one majority race, I'd call it racisim. But we don't, so I won't. But I am getting a tad pissed of at people calling the general populace of America idiots, even if it's true.


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Huh, well there's blind patriotisim for you. Maybe some hypocriticality (is that even a word?) on my part, too.

[Getter Robo G]

I might click that link, I might not... Regardless I have very ill will toward the Muslim communities (especially overseas). Why you may ask?

Because they are just as hypocritical as us! They say the Koran is their law and sacred and all that jazz but then turn around and let liars, murderers and traitors hide their crimes behind it like a f-ing shield?

Well guess what, as a GAMER I can put myself in the average Muslim's shoes and say anyone bringing shame or disrespect to my religion will get their balls cut off (all praise Allah!)  However for the most part, the vast majority of Muslims don't give a CRAP so if Islam has gotten a bad rap due to terrorism too F-ing bad! THEY allowed it to happen and continued allowing it for decades. (if not centuries)

When extremist groups in the US like KKK, 7th Days, or even polygimists (Gee I want to be one someday so pike off Uncle Sam)   The Government DOES something about it and clearly sends a message loud and clear that their activites are negative, unsanctioned, and most of all A CRIME!

It seems to me the real problem is every Muslim priest with an axe to grind is preaching LIES as I remember the basics of what the Koran says from school.  These hate mongers need to be defrocked (or whatever) by their religious superiors and Islam taken back to the source. Otherwise I see no alternative than eventually a war against Islam... As a Military veteran the ONLY thing I approve with Mr bush on is his tough statement to Iran that enough is enough (for example)... Syria (and to a lesser extent Jordan) is backstabbing us also by sponsoring Hezbolah so they need to be sanctioned and other means as well. They are not going to take us seriously about seperating tehmselves from terrorism until something explodes or foriegn troops march in their streets!

Cultures that only exist upon hate and death are a cancer we as humanity need to exercise from the gene pool of this planet. Call it Genecide I don't care. Or rather look at it this way, I care too much.

Example, the Pope says a quote (from the middle ages) about Islam, and not long after a Italian NUN her bodyguard and the doctor in the same room are murdered by islamic extremists... Someone must pay for that callous and MONSTROUS disregard for Humanlife.

MOHAMMAD decrees murder is a sin! Yet they commit it on a daily basis in his name against non-Muslims and Muslims alike...
 
Plus look at Lebanon... Hezbolah treats that country like a giant gang turf, the "government" is powerless.... As long as extremist are allowed by anyone to do as they please, violence on a mass scale will never end.

That's part of Human nature and why I dislike the Human race very much. It is a rare thing to find a Human of any real worth in the cosmic scheme of things...

I eagerly await the day our alien overlords come and purge this world of petty evils and self-delusioned religious fools.

All hail the old ones!!! (If Cuthullu ever gets on the ballot IT gets MY vote!!!) 

[NGTM-1R]

And since when is it an intrinsically good and correct thing for Islam, or any culture for that matter, to adapt itself to circumstances it had no hand in crafting?

Since you don't seem to have one, here's a clue.

Reality is a lot bigger and meaner then you, or anybody else. Adapt or it will try very hard to kill you.

[BlackDove]

And since when is it an intrinsically good and correct thing for Islam, or any culture for that matter, to adapt itself to circumstances it had no hand in crafting?

Since you don't seem to have one, here's a clue.

Reality is a lot bigger and meaner then you, or anybody else. Adapt or it will try very hard to kill you.

See, this is why people think you're stupid.

It's because of **** like this.

[IceFire]

Americans have the freedom needed to push Bush out of power and choose not to (mainly cause of apathy). That's why they're viewed poorly by the rest of the world. They can do something but are collectively too stupid to do so.

The only reason Bush is still President is because everyone liked the oppising candidates even less. Personally, I didn't really like Kerry, but I think he would have done a better job than Bush this term so far.

And I can't vote yet, so none of it is my fault

Be sure that you do vote.  Far too few people in western democracies (US included) have voter apathy.  More percentage of people in Iraq risked being shot, blown up, and otherwise maimed to vote, than people in the US voted despite not facing any of those prospects.

Every single election that has occured since I was able to vote I have voted in.  I've even worked for the democratic process once for a few extra dollars.

[karajorma]

It seems to me the real problem is every Muslim priest with an axe to grind is preaching LIES as I remember the basics of what the Koran says from school.  These hate mongers need to be defrocked (or whatever) by their religious superiors and Islam taken back to the source. Otherwise I see no alternative than eventually a war against Islam.

Do you see Pat Robertson being defrocked? Do you see the Christian extremists who do the same thing having the American government rise up against them in the same way you are demanding from others?

See the problem is that while you spend all your time shouting for the muslim world to reform while the christian world is allowed to become more tightly controlled by extremists you basically give ammunition to the muslim extremists. Cause for them what they basically see is a christian government telling them what to do.

[redmenace]

Dear god, I feel a little more stupid after listening to that.

[m]

He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.


When it comes to the question of can Islam adapt itself to the modern world, the answer is appearently no.


EDIT: Although I thought that he could have been a bit more diplomatic with his points......

Have any of you read the Koran?

I have; and the book definitely encourages violence against any who don't worship Allah.

It even goes so far as to tell muslims that if they have a chance to "go forth" and don't, they get no second chances.  They go to hell.

[karajorma]

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

You were saying?

[Ford Prefect]

[Polpolion]

Where do you get this stuff?

[AqueousShadow]

There were a lot of people who didn't vote. Roll them in with the idiots and you do have a majority. See?

But that would still be generalizing, wouldn't it?
You can't just "roll them in" with the idiots because you have no idea what the specific reason is for any non-voter not to vote. And at this point, big numbers like 5 million mean nothing. Why? Electoral votes. Period.

How can anyone say that Kerry would have done any better than Bush? Really the debate is whether it was a good idea to have all that bloodshed in Iraq, but by that election it had already started. Kerry couldn't even present a plan with which to end the war. Iraq was like getting bitten by a moray; the election afterward was a choice between trying to choke the eel and ripping the flesh to your knuckle, or pulling out your finger and ripping the flesh down the tip.

Hah, but anyway. I am eligible to vote in the next election. We'll see where we go with that.

And I'm a Catholic, but that was hilarious

[karajorma]

But that would still be generalizing, wouldn't it?
You can't just "roll them in" with the idiots because you have no idea what the specific reason is for any non-voter not to vote. And at this point, big numbers like 5 million mean nothing. Why? Electoral votes. Period.

I believe I made that last point myself. But to further clarify

1) You didn't only have a choice between Kerry and Bush. You could have voted for a third party.
2) The only reason Kerry was there was because the American public picked him. They could have picked someone else. They chose Kerry through the primaries. If they didn't want to vote Kerry but did want to vote democrat they could have picked another candidate.
3) Anyone who doesn't vote is an idiot by default. Either they're too stupid to understand the issues and choose to abstain. Or they are too stupid to understand that a protest vote does have value even if you give it to a third party or deliberately spoil your ballot.

[Polpolion]

But that would still be generalizing, wouldn't it?
You can't just "roll them in" with the idiots because you have no idea what the specific reason is for any non-voter not to vote. And at this point, big numbers like 5 million mean nothing. Why? Electoral votes. Period.

I believe I made that last point myself. But to further clarify

1) You didn't only have a choice between Kerry and Bush. You could have voted for a third party.
2) The only reason Kerry was there was because the American public picked him. They could have picked someone else. They chose Kerry through the primaries. If they didn't want to vote Kerry but did want to vote democrat they could have picked another candidate.
3) Anyone who doesn't vote is an idiot by default. Either they're too stupid to understand the issues and choose to abstain. Or they are too stupid to understand that a protest vote does have value even if you give it to a third party or deliberately spoil your ballot.

Are you serious?

Do you seriously think any sane person would seriously honestly want someone like RALPH NADER as president?

Trust me, Kerry and Bush are the cream of the crop compared to all the other fools.


But I agree with you on number 3

[Flipside]

Whilst I'll agree that Ralph Nader is probably not up to the job, always bear in mind that the Republicans and Democrats spend millions each year bolstering their image and defending against smear campaigns from the opposition. Ralph Nader doesn't really have those kinds of funds to call upon, so it's very very easy to outbid him in the image war. Be careful to make sure how much you are being told of third parties isn't merely anti-propaganda

[karajorma]

Do you seriously think any sane person would seriously honestly want someone like RALPH NADER as president?

And George Bush is a sane choice?

Besides who said you had to vote Nader? Vote for whoever the hell you like.

[Polpolion]

I meant relativly. If you had a choice between drinking you're own semen or eating poisen and dying, what would you choose?

And notice the "someone like" I put before Ralph Nader ( "like" being a worse choice than either Bush or Kerry).
Thats pretty much all there was. Bush, Kerry, and a whole bunch of nutcases (to a worse degree than Bush and Kerry combined [well, maybe not combined, but you get the picture ]).

[Kernal]

Which is worse. That he talks like that on air. Or that he even is on the air?
If any of you ****ing americans try to come to my country, I'll ****ing kill you.

How european of you.

Do you seriously think any sane person would seriously honestly want someone like RALPH NADER as president?

And George Bush is a sane choice?

Besides who said you had to vote Nader? Vote for whoever the hell you like.

I`ll never trust a democrat. ever! I`ll admit it. Bush has made things more flaky but, I don`t think what he is doing is bad. What the medias are not telling us is what our soldiers are doing good in Iraq. Instead they broadcast the horrible and terrible things like for example this. We went over there to free people from a mad man dictator. Not just looking for weopons. Now the Iraqians can vote and make choices in their government and you say that this is a bad thing?
During Suddams reign he gased his own people muliple times. I`m quite happy he is gone.

   

[Polpolion]

Do you seriously think any sane person would seriously honestly want someone like RALPH NADER as president?

And George Bush is a sane choice?

Besides who said you had to vote Nader? Vote for whoever the hell you like.

I`ll never trust a democrat. ever! I`ll admit it. Bush has made things more flaky but, I don`t think what he is doing is bad. What the medias are not telling us is what our soldiers are doing good in Iraq. Instead they broadcast the horrible and terrible things like for example this. We went over there to free people from a mad man dictator. Not just looking for weopons. Now the Iraqians can vote and make choices in their government and you say that this is a bad thing?
During Suddams reign he gased his own people muliple times. I`m quite happy he is gone.

   

Really? All I saw pre-war was U.N. inspectors looking for nukes and weapons of mass destruction, but finding nothing. Then Bosch Bush didn't belive the inspectors and went to war anyway.