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Offline Nuclear1

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It's people like this that make me sad
http://www.youtube.com/v/wFXD_GUY6y8

I don't know if this is new or old news to anyone here, but somebody emailed this to me. I really just can't believe how some people can actually believe what this radio host says; he is right to some extent, but most of what he's saying is terribly, terribly wrong.

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Offline Mefustae

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
I gave up on it when he brought up the possibility of genocide.

I don't often link the two words 'skull' and 'punt', but that radio-host brought those two words to mind quite readily. Honestly, holding an entire people accountable for the actions of a vast minority is exactly akin to some retard saying all Americans should pay for the actions of their leaders [to use a contemporary example]. To suggest collective punishment is most certainly the hallmark of the uneducated, the uncivilised, and downright mentally defective.

 

Offline Prophet

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
Which is worse. That he talks like that on air. Or that he even is on the air?
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Offline Kosh

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.


When it comes to the question of can Islam adapt itself to the modern world, the answer is appearently no.


EDIT: Although I thought that he could have been a bit more diplomatic with his points......
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline karajorma

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.

Sorta like Christianity in America then?
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Offline Kosh

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
Yep.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Ashrak

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
the host is american, thats enough in my opinnion, next time i find some retarded idiotic idiot then ill just call em american cuz instead of the vast MINORITY of muslems, the vast MAJORITY of americans are idiots.
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Offline Rictor

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.

When it comes to the question of can Islam adapt itself to the modern world, the answer is appearently no.

EDIT: Although I thought that he could have been a bit more diplomatic with his points......

And since when is it an intrinsically good and correct thing for Islam, or any culture for that matter, to adapt itself to circumstances it had no hand in crafting? There is a diiference, in my mind, between what Muslims do to others and what they do to themselves.  I'm of the opinion that each group, be it religious, cultural, nation, ethnic, whatever, should be left to itself so long as it doesn't harm others. When Muslims fly planes into buildings, that's unacceptable. When they torch an embassy or riot in Paris, that's unacceptable. But if they apply Sharia law in their own countries, if they choose such-and-such a system of education, if they elect people who we may dislike or disagree with, that's perfectly OK by me, as long as they do it only to themselves.

Same thing with America. Building a global empire of military garrisons, attacking other nations and dictating to them on matters of policy is a terrible thing. But what America chooses to do to itself, it's domestic policy - well, I may disagree with it, but it's none of my business. If they want to raise a big statue of Jesus over the White House, fine by me.

 

Offline Janos

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.


When it comes to the question of can Islam adapt itself to the modern world, the answer is appearently no.


EDIT: Although I thought that he could have been a bit more diplomatic with his points......

They rail against it time after time after time, and every single time it is instantly forgotten and then someone says "lol they should apologize lol". Christians don't always rise up on barricades because some sect does stuff in Christendom's name, why should average muslims do?
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
Wow that host is a ***** and should die. Those people he was talking about are terrorists, who are using Islam as an excuse to be angry and kill everbody. (I think :nervous: ) I am not Muslim, but I know some people who are, and they don't try and kill me at all or anything.

EDIT: maby I should listen to the whole thing and read all of the posts here before I speak.

I also find it funny how you people are angry at how minority Muslims are causing all of Muslims to be ridiculed by a few (from what I've seen, this is the 2nd or 3rd guy like this) Amercians, and then you go saying how all Americans are all idiots and retarded, when most of us are very definatly not. Like that person who stood up to the host, I am saying that most Americans do not share the host's opinion, or the opinion of the Kansas Baptists, or the opinion of President Bush and his cabinet (whats his approval rating, 30% or something? And from what I've seen, only idiots and their kids approve of him).
« Last Edit: September 17, 2006, 12:19:09 pm by thesizzler »

 

Offline vyper

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
Religion, resources, honour, pride... they're all just excuses we make up to give in to our basic instincts.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.

Well, to be fair, the Arab world doesn't have much of a choice as to what it wants to protest.  There's outrage over the cartoons because it's an attack on Islam, and because religion is what keeps the radical leaders in power, they allow the people to take it to the streets.  When it comes to what a government in the Middle East does to its citizens, all of a sudden there's no outcry because the people simply aren't free to protest these actions without being imprisoned or shot.

A lack of outcry in the US and other Western countries from their Muslim populations is much less acceptable, though; they have the freedom to protest atrocities, and they very well should.

Janos has a point as well; it's not as if those doing evil in the name of Islam have only recently started.  Muslim communities may very well have been condemning the governments back in the 40s or 50s, but it's just gotten so old that protesting is just becoming pointless in shaping that area of the world.  Christians don't apologize for everything the KKK or WBC does, so why should the people of Dearborn apologize for everything the radicals do?
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Offline karajorma

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
I also find it funny how you people are angry at how minority Muslims are causing all of Muslims to be ridiculed by a few (from what I've seen, this is the 2nd or 3rd guy like this) Amercians, and then you go saying how all Americans are all idiots and retarded, when most of us are very definatly not. Like that person who stood up to the host, I am saying that most Americans do not share the host's opinion, or the opinion of the Kansas Baptists, or the opinion of President Bush and his cabinet (whats his approval rating, 30% or something? And from what I've seen, only idiots and their kids approve of him).

Nuclear1 touched briefly on the reason in a roundabout way.

While Bush may have a very low approval rating you do have to remember he was voted in by a majority of Americans not just once but twice. Furthermore he is still in power rather than facing large daily protests that he resign.

Americans have the freedom needed to push Bush out of power and choose not to (mainly cause of apathy). That's why they're viewed poorly by the rest of the world. They can do something but are collectively too stupid to do so.

Not that I'm any position to feel too smug about that. It's not like Tony Blair is out of a job either.
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Offline AqueousShadow

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
He does have a point about Islam being hijacked, and no one is railing against it in the islamic world. Also he has a point about no Islamic outrage when they do terrible things.

Sorta like Christianity in America then?

Janos' reply works for both the Islam and the Christian side. And because Christianity is mostly a blanket over all the varieties of its sects, it really isn't fair to say that a "Christian" should be apologizing for the molestation of a Catholic altar boy. What's more is that those specific idiotic Christians who are being ridiculed by other Christians for their actions are the ones who get all the media attention.

Really, that applies to whole idea. Those stupid minorities are getting all the attention, and whoever is fighting against it from the inside really doesn't get the chance to broadcast their rejection of such stupid acts.

Anyway, I don't think that was really sizzler's point, Kara. Bush was more of an example than anything, but I'm pretty sure that the main point is that it's hypocritical to collectively call Americans stupid simply because a radio host has the power to express his "retarded" beliefs, while at the same time condemning those who collectively call Muslims blood-thirsty murderers based on the actions of a few terrorists.

And if you really want to argue about Bush's election, you have to realize that the last two elections have been so ridiculously close that you can't possibly call the American "collective" idiots, unless of course you consider one person in a couple (that is, a group of two) to be the "collective."
« Last Edit: September 17, 2006, 02:25:24 pm by AqueousShadow »

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
The problem is, the Government of both the US and the UK are working as hard as they can to become synonymous with the country itself. If you complain about the Government too loudly or disagree with the war too vehemently, people start applying words like 'Radical' or 'Unpatriotic'.

People need to re-learn that disagreeing with the government can actually be an act of affection for your country, not hatred.

 

Offline Turey

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
It's not like Tony Blair is out of a job either.
a yes, but come 2008, and Bush WILL be (due to term limits, even if his 30% popularity somehow could have got him elected), while (i don't think) the job of Prime Minister has any term limits.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
Americans have the freedom needed to push Bush out of power and choose not to (mainly cause of apathy). That's why they're viewed poorly by the rest of the world. They can do something but are collectively too stupid to do so.

The only reason Bush is still President is because everyone liked the oppising candidates even less. Personally, I didn't really like Kerry, but I think he would have done a better job than Bush this term so far.

And I can't vote yet, so none of it is my fault :D

 

Offline Turey

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
And I can't vote yet, so none of it is my fault :D

ditto. but I'll be voting next year, and every year after that!
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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
While Bush may have a very low approval rating you do have to remember he was voted in by a majority of Americans not just once but twice. Furthermore he is still in power rather than facing large daily protests that he resign.

While you're right, Aqueous is still more right. The 2000 and 2004 elections were won by very small percentages, proving that the American population was split 50-50 between those who disliked Bush/liked Kerry and those who disliked Kerry/liked Bush.  That's really the problem with a two-party system--you can try to get a 3rd Party candidate nominated, but theres very little chance that he will actually be elected.  At best, he'll draw votes away from one of the two parties' candidates and bring the other into office.  If it were possible to get them in office, there are people that I would vote for outside of the Republican and Democrat parties, but instead I'm forced to vote for the Republican or Democrat who I most agree with if my vote is to truly make a difference.

And I can't vote yet, so none of it is my fault :D

ditto. but I'll be voting next year, and every year after that!

I'll miss the midterm elections by about three weeks; my birthday's in later November, and I'm only 17.  Can't wait for '08 though.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: It's people like this that make me sad
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And since when is it an intrinsically good and correct thing for Islam, or any culture for that matter, to adapt itself to circumstances it had no hand in crafting?


A culure has to adapt to a changing world. If they don't, then at best they will be left behind or at worst they will simply die.


The two best examples I can think of are the late Qing dynasty and the Ottoman Empire. Both of them failed to adapt to a changed world, and now both have bit the dust.


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While you're right, Aqueous is still more right. The 2000 and 2004 elections were won by very small percentages, proving that the American population was split 50-50 between those who disliked Bush/liked Kerry and those who disliked Kerry/liked Bush. 


There also were major allegations of vote fraud in both elections that cannot be overlooked.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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