[redmenace]

eh, keep in mind that they had a 10,000ft runway they had constructed and all of their neighbors were nervous and asked the US to help them intervene. To simply say they had a right to is as misleading as to simply say Castro and the USSR had a right to store ICBMs in Cuba. Yes, Grenada is/was tourist dependant and the runway would have assisted them with their local economy. But from the standpoint of the US atleast, with the past experiences such as the Cuban Missle Crisis didn't and shouldn't trust the hardline communists which had taken over the country. I am not really going to defend this action any more than this because there is hardly any other than this and if I were cogniscent of all the facts and cogniscent to percieve these things [I was 3 years old] I would have opposed it.

[karajorma]

No one was nervous except Ronald Reagan.

Had Grenada been any kind of real threat the US would have started gathering information on it long before the invasion occured. The fact that the the US pushed so hard to invade that they ended up having to plan the invasion on a map from a petrol station because they didn't have time to find anything better should be proof of how ridiculous the entire thing was.

Oh and as for the neighbours asking for help, other states have since said that they did this because America asked them to ask for help so as to provide a cause for the invasion. The entire thing was based on nothing more than American paranoia. There was no real danger there at all.

[redmenace]

Got a link, please? I am interested because everything I have ever read said differently.

[karajorma]

Unfortunately I'm mostly going on what I heard in a TV series called something like "Classic Military Blunders"

The invasion of Grenada got half a program to itself.

I did manage to find this however which does seem to support the majority of what the program said about the politics involved.

[Bobboau]

I have no idea what grenada was about either, all I know is it's a relitively minor military action that happened somewere to the south that get's brought up alongside veitnam and bay of pigs.

[Blue Lion]

Let's ask Clint Eastwood

[Prophet]

The first part of that movie was almost decent entertainment. But once the training was over, it was boring at best.

[redmenace]

Unfortunately I'm mostly going on what I heard in a TV series called something like "Classic Military Blunders"

The invasion of Grenada got half a program to itself.

I did manage to find this however which does seem to support the majority of what the program said about the politics involved.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but some of what is in there is outright politically charged. I cannot say either way, whether or not they are right though.

[karajorma]

I doubt you'll find many sites on the matter that aren't politically charged or puff pieces saying how great the military are. Even the wikipedia page has had its neutrality challenged.

Like I said I've heard from less politically inclined sources that the entire thing was a blunder by RR.

[Kosh]

I DO NOT have a problem with his bein' a socialist... and really bad eggs.  I DO NOT have a problem with Chavez flippin' th' US th' bird an' out starboard attemptin' t' constantly embaressin' th' US as well, while cryin' wot he expects an invasion

I remember you said something quite different in the other thread.

Ah, I get it, pass the grog!  Walk the plank! Ye dislike Chavez on account o' his nation is formin' diplomatic ties with th' "black sheep" o' th' world - Iran, North Korea, etc. 

It's so interesting to have political discussions with pirate speak on......

[redmenace]

I don't have a problem wot th' people o' Venezuala elected wot scurvey dog a socialist.  I don't have an issue wot he has chosen t' be a socialist.  I do have an issue with socialism in general.

[redmenace]

Also, looking back, what I said is I don't trust Chavez and Socialists in general.

[Mefustae]

Praytell, what do you base your hatred of Socialists upon?

[redmenace]

A.   Fire th' cannons, pass the grog!  I don't hate socialists, by Blackbeard's sword.
  
B.   I only disagree with them, with a chest full o' booty.
  
C.   I don't think Socialists Systems are e'er really equal

D.   I don't think Socialists can always deliver what they promise

E.   I don't think th' auld socialist dogma wot th' ends always justify th' means always is applicable.
  
F.  Walk the plank!  Walk the plank!  I don't think wot socialist societies, taken t' their ultimate ends, really allow economic freedom.   Drink up me hearties, yo ho!  Yarrrrr!  An' hoist th' mainsail!  If anythin', it oblitherates it, and a bucket o' chum.
  
E.   Socialist Societies are not really self sufficient, but rely on others t' boost their economy.   Yarrrrr, by Blackbeard's sword!   For Cuba, it is tourism.   For Venezuala, it is Oil.
 
F.  Socialism in SA is only a reaction o' discontent o' bein' screwed o'er by first world countries. That being the case I don't blame Venezuala for voting in a populist.

[Ghostavo]

E.    Socialist Societies are not really self sufficient, but rely on others t' boost their economy.  Ahoy!    Yarrrrr, by Blackbeard's sword!    For Cuba, it is tourism.    For Venezuala, it is Oil.

And for China it's cheap goods, and for Japan and America high tech goods, your point? Because those countries recognized the advantage they had (tourism, oil, whatever) they have to try to milk all they can out of those advantages. It has nothing to do with socialism, it's called having a brain!

[redmenace]

The point is that it can't stand on its own 2 feet.

[Ghostavo]

The point is wot is can't stand on its own 2 feet.

So according to you, no economy can stand on its own two feet, be it capitalist or socialist?

Interesting.

[redmenace]

My point is wot I ca hardly judge it as bein' truly sucessful when it is dependent on someone else, bein' another economic system.
 
Hell, I th' US economy, is entirely dependent on th' generosity o' others.

I also wonder what will happen when oil drys up from venezuala.

[Janos]

My point is wot I ca hardly judge it as bein' truly sucessful when it is dependent on someone else, bein' another economic system.
 
Hell, I th' US economy, is entirely dependent on th' generosity o' others.

I also wonder what will happen when oil drys up from venezuala.

There are no successful economic systems?

Also, how do you actually define socialist.

[redmenace]

Socialism varies in degree.