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Offline Sandwich

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #40 on: September 24, 2006, 08:35:07 am
Quote from: Mefustae on September 22, 2006, 09:02:17 pm
What the hell are you talking about? You were the third bloody person to post in the last topic!

Yeah, I saw that. I thought I had a vague feeling of deja vu while posting this topic, but I couldn't pin it down. Oh well. Perhaps I'm loosing my mind. Or memory.

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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #41 on: September 24, 2006, 11:12:37 pm
Quote from: Sandwich on September 24, 2006, 08:35:07 am
Oh well. Perhaps I'm loosing my mind.
Yeah, don't you hate it when your mind starts getting loose. :p
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #42 on: September 25, 2006, 03:48:13 am
I've always heard it said that he or she has got a few screws loose, but I never drew the connection until now! Kewl.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #43 on: September 25, 2006, 04:49:50 am
Pope to meet Muslims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5376556.stm

The pope is going to kick ass.  :yes:
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #44 on: September 25, 2006, 06:42:35 am
 

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Reply #45 on: September 25, 2006, 08:00:22 am
Nah the new pope is religion's answer to Prince Philip. He'll set out wanting to kiss ass but just end up putting his foot in it and making things worse. Mark my words.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #46 on: September 25, 2006, 08:23:57 am
So are they going to search these guys? If not I'd listen carefully for God is Great halfway through the meeting... :nervous:
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #47 on: September 25, 2006, 08:46:20 am
I thought that :). Although it would be the most obviously predictable assassination of all time.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #48 on: September 25, 2006, 08:47:13 am
I was actually thinking that the Pope would serve them all a big cake, and when it was brought in, he would stand up and say, "Now my plan is complete!" and guys would pop out of the cake with machine guns and waste all the Muslim leaders.

And the music would ominously switch to a minor key.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #49 on: September 25, 2006, 08:50:36 am
This pope doesn't need "guys". I'm sure he's perfectly able to handle a machine gun on his own.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #50 on: September 25, 2006, 08:53:32 am
the pope's an idiot
the muslims are idiots

hell.. religion is idiotic


do i really need to say more?
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Reply #51 on: September 25, 2006, 09:19:39 am
Yes, Kazan. You should say more. You have remained silent far too long on topical issues of ontology, theology, and contemporary ethics. Please, don't be afraid to contribute your thoughts.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #52 on: September 25, 2006, 09:27:31 am
Quote from: Kazan on September 25, 2006, 08:53:32 am
the pope's an idiot
the muslims are idiots

hell.. religion is idiotic


do i really need to say more?

I partly agree with the last one.

Religion has a positive site. I can really help you tp believe in god. Knowing there is someone who cares abnout you and listens to your problems, is great. So religion has a sense even if there never was a god.

On the other hand religion is to blame for an uncountable number of deaths, for hate, for abuse, and for lies.


I think we might be better off without it, even though I fully respect people who believe in god.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #53 on: September 25, 2006, 09:51:35 am
Religion is as positive and negative as humanity is itself.  I don't think there's any point in deluding ourselves that one religion has more or less capacity for inspiring good and evil than another - the only difference is perhaps the nature of good and evil perpetuated by followers.
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #54 on: September 25, 2006, 09:53:11 am
Quote from: Ford Prefect on September 25, 2006, 09:19:39 am
Yes, Kazan. You should say more. You have remained silent far too long on topical issues of ontology, theology, and contemporary ethics. Please, don't be afraid to contribute your thoughts.

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #55 on: September 25, 2006, 09:53:57 am
Quote from: DaBrain on September 25, 2006, 09:27:31 am
On the other hand religion is to blame for an uncountable number of deaths, for hate, for abuse, and for lies.

I think we might be better off without it, even though I fully respect people who believe in god.
Actually, you'll find that in most cases, Religion is merely the scapegoat used to justify death, hate, abuse and lies. Sure, removing religion would deprive humanity of one of the best reasons to kill, but we're a resourceful species, so we'll quickly find another way to justify what we do best. :)

Anyway, I forsee that when the meeting is held, every party present will pull pistols on each other, and the Pope'll say "looks like we got us a Mexican stand-off, 'cept we ain't got no Mexicans". That'd be so awesome.
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #56 on: September 25, 2006, 11:52:05 am
People are still trapped in the paradigm that says religion is something we "invented" that can simply be abolished, and I don't think it's that simple. Religion is a convergence of numerous human tendencies, and it's not just a cultural construct; it's a biological, evolutionary phenomenon. I think our time would be better spent trying to get people to think philosophically about their religions, instead of fooling ourselves into thinking we can eradicate the entire concept. But maybe that's almost as hopeless.

Quote from: Mefustae on September 25, 2006, 09:53:57 am
Anyway, I forsee that when the meeting is held, every party present will pull pistols on each other, and the Pope'll say "looks like we got us a Mexican stand-off, 'cept we ain't got no Mexicans". That'd be so awesome.
I don't think anyone can disagree on this point. That would be awesome.
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #57 on: September 25, 2006, 12:16:23 pm
Even in the (my) man-created-god camp, man still created god for a reason..... you can no more hope to abolish religion and belief than you can for hate, love, or any other part of human nature.
 

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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #58 on: September 25, 2006, 03:34:23 pm
Quote from: Culando on September 22, 2006, 11:49:45 am
Sidenote: The Pope is a retard. :P The muslims have a right to be pissed at him, but there are better ways to react than rioting. *looking at the idiots, not the decent ones*

sidenote: Read his whole speech. You're a retard my little man.....


You know what the sad thing is? 99% of the people who now speak against the Pope becouse of this havn't even read his speach....
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Re: Of Popes, Muslims, and Riots
Reply #59 on: September 25, 2006, 04:39:10 pm
I agree(another thing in common with TM!!!)

Why you ignore this matter?What would happen if those **** kill Benedetto XVI?I volunteer for the Crusade.
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