[aldo_14]

You're hunting a fluffy bunny wih a spear, don't give me this 'healthy respect' ****.  I'll hunt you with a tank, see how much healthy respect that requires.

[Bobboau]

@Ford:no, but I have respect for the lifestyle.

@aldo: hmmm.... yes... pretentious.... yes, you can go to hell.

[Mongoose]

My home state's a very hunting-friendly place, mostly because we have a lot of wooded land and a massive overabundance of deer (due to their natural predators, i.e. wolves, being pretty much nonexistent in the region anymore).  Hell, my uncle goes bow hunting every year, and while he does have two heads hanging up on the wall of his house, he also uses the meat (by the bye, homemade deer kielbasa is quite tasty ).  I guess my point is that I see absolutely nothing wrong with having standardized, managed hunting seasons for species like deer that have no real check on them otherwise.  Around my area, which is pretty much standard suburbia with a decent amount of open space, deer actually pose quite the driving hazard; I can't even count the number of times I've seen them crossing roads at night.  There really isn't any other way to manage the population other than culling.

And aldo, in most of these cases, hiring a "professional manager" to deal with the problem isn't really an option; there's only so much that one or two people can do.  And I don't know what stereotypes you have of hunters, but they're not a bunch of rednecks "out for a laugh."  Most hunters I've met are very responsible individuals, and while they obviously enjoy the act of hunting, they also have a great deal of respect for their own and others' safety.  (Cheney nonwithstanding. )  Despite what freaks like PETA may say at whiney protests, culling events are a safe and effective way of helping to reduce overpopulation issues in inhabited areas.

[Admiral Edivad]

I think instincts are good and should be followed.

Ok, but if everybody does this we'll have some problems. Rules/laws are fundamental to permit 6 billions human beings to survive without destroying the surrounding environment (animals included). Hunting/fishing is fine as long as it's regulated and not excessive. (use what you kill, don't waste it. easy  )

[Janos]

This Sunday I took down a fagiano:



This is the second important kill in my Hunter-career,after the Cock I shooted at last year.



I was wondering,what do you think about animalism and animalists?
Every temptative of talking about that in Italian forums ended pretty bad,most likely due to the presence of Animalists.

But I think that here is different,a FS player kills thousands of people,as an NTF pilot he takes down civilians transports. I know it's just a game,but I don't think that you agree with what WWF members say about Hunting,if you ever paid attention on them.

Please,post here your opinion but this thread mustn't degenerate like the 9/11 one I created previously.I want to know what do you think about it.

Hunt if you will, but only hunt a little, eat everything you kill, don't cause unnecessary suffering and above all:
Know what you're shooting at. Seriously.

Fagiane is a pheasant and that "Cock" is Eurasian Woodcock. Unless you were hunting in wetlands.

[aldo_14]

My home state's a very hunting-friendly place, mostly because we have a lot of wooded land and a massive overabundance of deer (due to their natural predators, i.e. wolves, being pretty much nonexistent in the region anymore).  Hell, my uncle goes bow hunting every year, and while he does have two heads hanging up on the wall of his house, he also uses the meat (by the bye, homemade deer kielbasa is quite tasty ).  I guess my point is that I see absolutely nothing wrong with having standardized, managed hunting seasons for species like deer that have no real check on them otherwise.  Around my area, which is pretty much standard suburbia with a decent amount of open space, deer actually pose quite the driving hazard; I can't even count the number of times I've seen them crossing roads at night.  There really isn't any other way to manage the population other than culling.

And aldo, in most of these cases, hiring a "professional manager" to deal with the problem isn't really an option; there's only so much that one or two people can do.  And I don't know what stereotypes you have of hunters, but they're not a bunch of rednecks "out for a laugh."  Most hunters I've met are very responsible individuals, and while they obviously enjoy the act of hunting, they also have a great deal of respect for their own and others' safety.  (Cheney nonwithstanding. )  Despite what freaks like PETA may say at whiney protests, culling events are a safe and effective way of helping to reduce overpopulation issues in inhabited areas.

And yet in Scotland we saw protests from gameskeepers that culling had decimated the deer stock by twice the required and recommended number.....

[Mobius]

Bobboau is right,maybe because he knows.

Hunting is not "killing poor animals".As Bobboau said,you have respect of what you kill(the Woocock here is also called Regina del Bosco =Queen of the Wood).Another thing you don't consider is that there's not just one type of hunting.You can hunt staying immobile and wait for the birds coming fast then shoot them down or you can hunt with your dogs.That's what I do. All that bunch of **** about Hunters do not respect Nature vanish when you see an Hunter taking care of his dogs.

Another thing I'm pleased to have noticed is the lack of infos you have.That's what I wanted.You think that you need just Disney's Bambi and a few News on TV,well you are making a terrible mistake.About five years ago,with one of my friends,we wrote papers and papers of anti-animalistic revelations.I discovered that an association that probably DySkO knows,LAV=League Anti Vivisection-I don't know if I wrote it correctly-gains several million euros per year when it should be an ONLUS=an association that works for the country composed by volunteers.Volunteers that get millions per year...for what?!?I have estimated that they don't spend so much for their campaigns (no-hunting,no-fishing,no-eating-meals,no-****).An active member pays 500 Euros per year and receives just a magazine and papers to distribute when needed(ah,when I said "millions" I have considered that every member pays 50 euros per years,so....).

About at the same time I've made and distributed several other papers about of of the most terrible things animalists can do:
A LAW THAT IN SIMPLE TERMS ALLOWS THEM TO GET MILLIONS!!!!
In every Italian city they have accumulated money and signatures for a law proposal against dogfights(between dogs,not spacecrafts or airplanes ).Many hunters supported them(when you talk about dogs....)but as result we had something like this: 100,000 Euros as penalty for dogfights, around 5,000 for killing animals(!!!) and it isn't finished yet.The Animalists get this money instead of the State!!! Terrible. I was too little to prevent it,but I have promised to myself I will do everything I can to stop those b*****s(shooting them down excluded!).

[Janos]

Bobboau is right,maybe because he knows.

Hunting is not "killing poor animals".As Bobboau said,you have respect of what you kill(the Woocock here is also called Regina del Bosco =Queen of the Wood).Another thing you don't consider is that there's not just one type of hunting.You can hunt staying immobile and wait for the birds coming fast then shoot them down or you can hunt with your dogs.That's what I do. All that bunch of **** about Hunters do not respect Nature vanish when you see an Hunter taking care of his dogs.

And then I see a hunter shoot a protected animal. Point?

Another thing I'm pleased to have noticed is the lack of infos you have.That's what I wanted.You think that you need just Disney's Bambi and a few News on TV,well you are making a terrible mistake.About five years ago,with one of my friends,we wrote papers and papers of anti-animalistic revelations.I discovered that an association that probably DySkO knows,LAV=League Anti Vivisection-I don't know if I wrote it correctly-gains several million euros per year when it should be an ONLUS=an association that works for the country composed by volunteers.Volunteers that get millions per year...for what?!?I have estimated that they don't spend so much for their campaigns (no-hunting,no-fishing,no-eating-meals,no-****).An active member pays 500 Euros per year and receives just a magazine and papers to distribute when needed(ah,when I said "millions" I have considered that every member pays 50 euros per years,so....).

Use paragraphs and try to comprehend before you post. Your illiteracy and ability to misunderstand pretty much every sensible comment on this very thread is absolutely stunning. Also, it's always wonderful to try to make and spring a trap but if you don't really understand that the prey is no longer anywhere near the trap it's pretty futile to try to blow it. And it's a really stupid and childish tactic too so from this moment on I will treat every word you say with suspicion and disbelief.

About at the same time I've made and distributed several other papers about of of the most terrible things animalists can do:
A LAW THAT IN SIMPLE TERMS ALLOWS THEM TO GET MILLIONS!!!!
In every Italian city they have accumulated money and signatures for a law proposal against dogfights(between dogs,not spacecrafts or airplanes ).Many hunters supported them(when you talk about dogs....)but as result we had something like this: 100,000 Euros as penalty for dogfights, around 5,000 for killing animals(!!!) and it isn't finished yet.The Animalists get this money instead of the State!!! Terrible. I was too little to prevent it,but I have promised to myself I will do everything I can to stop those b*****s(shooting them down excluded!).

hahahahaha if the group that proposes the law gets the resultant money instead of the government then the problem is in your state, not said group
that, or you have no idea what you are really talking about. Which seems to be the way, seeing how you can compare animal right activists to greedy cheaters. And then you're offended when someone generalizes hunters.

[Dysko]

the problem is in your state

I confirm that!

[Kazan]

And yet in Scotland we saw protests from gameskeepers that culling had decimated the deer stock by twice the required and recommended number.....

inproperly ran culls should not taint your opinion of all culling, you should very well know that

in the US the whitetail deer is overpopulated

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LGM

Dogfighting is cruelty to the dogs and creates dogs that pose a danger to human's.  Dogfigting is illegal in the united states - and most dogs rescued from fighting rings are untamable and have to be destroyed because they're a threat to humans.

[aldo_14]

And yet in Scotland we saw protests from gameskeepers that culling had decimated the deer stock by twice the required and recommended number.....

inproperly ran culls should not taint your opinion of all culling, you should very well know that

in the US the whitetail deer is overpopulated

===================

LGM

Dogfighting is cruelty to the dogs and creates dogs that pose a danger to human's.  Dogfigting is illegal in the united states - and most dogs rescued from fighting rings are untamable and have to be destroyed because they're a threat to humans.

Actually, you should haved noted I agreed with hunting for the purposes of culling previously.  My point was that such hunting should be professionally managed and controlled by trained gamekeepers rather than implemented as an excuse to rake in hunting-tourist pounds - something which has been seen before (I believe threatening moose rather than the deer population).*

*or the appropriate currency of your country

[Kazan]

kill limits and hunting license # should be carefully controlled and strictly enforced to allow "Harvesting" of the appropriate number set by herd specialists/biologists

as long as that is roughly followed there should be no complaint with private citizens doing the hunting

[Mobius]

UPDATES:two days ago I took down a Quaglia!!!!

I'm happy that most of you agree with what I think.

Of course there are many restrictions here.You can't hunt in Tuesday and Friday,and the number of birds you can kill is low,etc.

Do you know that Greenpeace received money from an Oil company time ago? Please pay attention on what the Animalists/Ambientalists do before giving them money.

[karajorma]

Seriously. Stop making up words.

[aldo_14]

Look out!  That Quail's coming right for you!

I'm not sure how or why Greenpeaces' funding has any bearing on this issue.

[BlackDove]

When you're looking for any pathetic excuse to kill a defenseless animal, you'll pull any argument you can out of your ass, even if it doesn't fit the context whatsoever.

[Bobboau]

if by "most of you" you mean me, then congradulations, but I think I'm the only person who took your side and I'd hardly call that "most of" the forum.

[Janos]

UPDATES:two days ago I took down a Quaglia!!!!

I'm happy that most of you agree with what I think.

Of course there are many restrictions here.You can't hunt in Tuesday and Friday,and the number of birds you can kill is low,etc.

Do you know that Greenpeace received money from an Oil company time ago? Please pay attention on what the Animalists/Ambientalists do before giving them money.

Well now you have to give a source for your last claim which has nothing to do with the debate and with ethics of hunting but however so source please.

[Mobius]

See?This discussion always degenerates when someone starts offending.

Last thing before a mod locks the thread:you said that the terrible event with Greenpeace has nothing to do with hunting,right?
First,read this thread's name.Second,knowing that many people earn money with the excuse of defending Earth is pretty important in my opinion.In a few years we wil be forced to change our lifestyle due to atmospherical changes,and I hate to consider those people as "experienced on this matter",or the ones "who saved the world" in case the process is reversable.

You also don't know that most birds damage agricultural production seriously,which here led to a hunters-request in some locations.
Bears that eat sheep,economical damage and cruelty.Deers,car accidents and enormous damage.

They're pathetic.The don't eat meal but they eat eggs and fish.They don't know that fruit is composed by cells which live too.

[Janos]

See?This discussion always degenerates when someone starts offending.

Last thing before a mod locks the thread:you said that the terrible event with Greenpeace has nothing to do with hunting,right?
First,read this thread's name.Second,knowing that many people earn money with the excuse of defending Earth is pretty important in my opinion.In a few years we wil be forced to change our lifestyle due to atmospherical changes,and I hate to consider those people as "experienced on this matter",or the ones "who saved the world" in case the process is reversable.

You also don't know that most birds damage agricultural production seriously,which here led to a hunters-request in some locations.
Bears that eat sheep,economical damage and cruelty.Deers,car accidents and enormous damage.

They're pathetic.The don't eat meal but they eat eggs and fish.They don't know that fruit is composed by cells which live too.

Are you going to give the source for your oil money claim now?

And your bird comment is stupid. Of course birds damage agriculture. Agricultural areas are unnatural enviroment full of food (and pesticides). It's like putting a man into a steak tree farm and complaining that he eats too many steaks. But so what?