[Kazan]

some serious mindless kerry-bashing in this thread from the "zomg! he criticized the military! traitor!!!" pyschofreak crowd


morons

PS: my brother, who is in the military, thinks you're morons too

[bloated]

I would have thought that if someone was a "war hero" that they'd actually support thier own country and military....

it was a mistake to go to this war, it's not accomplishing anything positive yet costing trillions.....being blindly patriotic with no consience or character and asknowledging that something is wrong is stupid....  condeming a decorated war hero for at the absolute worst making a bad joke is quite a bit of hypocrisy.

I served in the military but have since left and while I don't think anyone in the thread are morons I do believe the whining about a semi truthful comment that at worst was made in bad taste really should be forgotten...... all the PC crying and whining about nothing.... trust me when I say we are made of much thicker skin and to be honest I wasn't bothered by the comment not for a moment.

maybe we should all start crying about sensitivity when we get called "grunts", "a waste of sperm", "a useless bag of skin" by the master corporal and then get a quarter and call someone who might actually give a crap.

a republican online alcoholic pedophile no one is talking about but a comment made by a democrat in any other place other than a political speech that would be funny and everyone is crying like a baby about it...... truly a nice level of hypocrisy, quite honorable and telling of character.

[Kazan]

oh gnoes!!! he criticized bush's misuse of our troops! he doesn't support the troops!!!


idiots.. you know.. criticizing how our troops are being used is, right now, much much much more "supporting the troops" than getting your jackboots on and marching in ranks with the theocons

[Inquisitor]

Funny, when I heard this I took it in the context it was supposedly intended. THe Bush administration failed to do their homework and now we are stuck in Iraq.

But I just got done reading the latest Woodward book.

The Dem's should stay on the offensive with this, apologize and explain, in EXCRUCIATING detail, including american body counts, about what exactly "stuck in Iraq" means.

But they won't. The apology will be the last of it. God help us in the midterms.

[Nix]

Apology or no apology, he's gotten enough people stirred up to get them thinking.  Yeah, they might think it's a joke or a serious insult.  It was a costly mistake on his part to have said what he said.  And yes, republicans are going to beat this issue to death, just as democrats have beaten several issues that they don't like about the republicans.  After looking at it, I'm glad he said what he said, shows him for what he really is. 

[aldo_14]

Apology or no apology, he's gotten enough people stirred up to get them thinking.  Yeah, they might think it's a joke or a serious insult.  It was a costly mistake on his part to have said what he said.  And yes, republicans are going to beat this issue to death, just as democrats have beaten several issues that they don't like about the republicans.  After looking at it, I'm glad he said what he said, shows him for what he really is. 

But if it's a mistake, then what exactly does it show?

i'm sure Kerry isn't immune on policy, after all.... why flog this dead horse?  (yes, I know - because US politics is built around slandering the opponent rather than having policies)

[Inquisitor]

After looking at it, I'm glad he said what he said, shows him for what he really is. 

Someone who thinks the current administration is off the rails.

Lets think about what issues, and what ramifications, dems are harping on, shall we? WMD's? Sorry, WMD Program Activities? Sorry, opps, I mispoke, did I say WMD's? I meant harboring Osama. Oops, sorry, wrong context, deposing evil dictator. Oops, wrong context, mispoke again, restoring deomcracy, but certainly not nation building. Oops, sorry, how about nationbuilding? Ooops, sorry, the insurgency is on its "last legs", oops, I meant "Mission Accomplished." Oh, I meant the violence is escalating. Oops, I meant the next president will have to get us out of Iraq. Did I say a short time? I meant a long term presence of US forces in Iraq, decades maybe. This is not a Vietnam! Ok, maybe its a little like a Vietnam...

Oops, maybe I mispoke. It seems we're making it worse, not better.

Oops.

I just wish he had half these balls during the 04 elections. I wish of people had half these balls then. We're ****ed, and I want someone to un**** us. I am tired of burying friends. I am especially tired of burying friends when nobody seems to have a clue when its going to stop.

This Kazan moment brought to you by a pissed off American.

[Nuclear1]

some serious mindless kerry-bashing in this thread from the "zomg! he criticized the military! traitor!!!" pyschofreak crowd


morons

PS: my brother, who is in the military, thinks you're morons too

No, that psychofreak crowd is the one up in arms (at least, the comparatively reasonable psychofreaks such as myself) that John Kerry called American troops retards and ****-ups.  Not that he's criticizing the Admistration for misusing the troops, but that he insulted the troops in general.

Before you start calling people morons, Kaz, maybe you ought to read deeper and find out that *maybe* not everybody who dislikes Kerry for that statement hates him because he's a Democrat, eh?

[Inquisitor]

Listen to the soundclip. Take that soundclip into the context of the (not so recent) strategy by the demos that says "the Bush administration did not do its homework" and is "stuck in Iraq." Its a piss poor attempt at talking points, period. Kerry also said that "anyone who can doubt my belief in the individual soldier who has not themselves put on a uniform needs to stfu" (Obviously paraphrased ) and "The Bush administration knows damn well what I meant and this is another smear campaign" (also paraphrased).

Then evaluate what you just said. So listen to it instead of parroting Fox news, and try to actually evaluate the information, THEN draw a conclusion.

Yes, he's guilty of a bushism, he ****ed up his speech and said something stupid. At least it hasn't gotten anyone killed.

Its' CLEAR if you have payed ANY attention to the mid term strategy, that this was a ****ed up talking point. That is idiotic.  Rather than pay attention to anything in context, you'd rather believe he's insulting the troops. But that's the new world order, misdirection and mudslinging is far more worthwhile.

While your at it, go read the Woodward book. He's only obviously liberal about every 5 pages or so, most of it is straight up facts. Might give you some real context into the argument.

[Kazan]

called American troops retards and ****-ups.

well.. considering he didn't say what you claim he said

[Bobboau]

"The terrorists never stop trying to hurt America, and neither do we."

what do the liberals do? laugh.

[Kazan]

that's

[Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we

[Inquisitor]

I don't ask or want people to take my word for it. I want you to use at least two functional brain cells and ACTUALLY evaluate the situation without tuning into either partys propoganda machine.

Its not hard. You manage to feed and clothe yourselfs almost daily, this is not a huge leap of logic or a difficult pattern to evaluate.

You have brains, enage them.

[Bobboau]

Kaz, Yeah, I was just pulling it out of my head, sorry.

and like I said earlier, even O'Reily could see this plain as day, I think he called all the conservitives frenzying about this "hyper-partisans" or what ever his new buzz word is.

[Nuclear1]

Listen to the soundclip. Take that soundclip into the context of the (not so recent) strategy by the demos that says "the Bush administration did not do its homework" and is "stuck in Iraq." Its a piss poor attempt at talking points, period. Kerry also said that "anyone who can doubt my belief in the individual soldier who has not themselves put on a uniform needs to stfu" (Obviously paraphrased ) and "The Bush administration knows damn well what I meant and this is another smear campaign" (also paraphrased).

Then evaluate what you just said. So listen to it instead of parroting Fox news, and try to actually evaluate the information, THEN draw a conclusion.

Yes, he's guilty of a bushism, he ****ed up his speech and said something stupid. At least it hasn't gotten anyone killed.

Its' CLEAR if you have payed ANY attention to the mid term strategy, that this was a ****ed up talking point. That is idiotic.  Rather than pay attention to anything in context, you'd rather believe he's insulting the troops. But that's the new world order, misdirection and mudslinging is far more worthwhile.

While your at it, go read the Woodward book. He's only obviously liberal about every 5 pages or so, most of it is straight up facts. Might give you some real context into the argument.

Slow down, bud.  Pardon me for not nitpicking every single Democrats' speech to notice the obvious trend you've just pointed out, and then associating it to Kerry's badly-worded joke. I've listened to the clip hundreds of times, trying to determine what context he was making it in, and I determined that he meant

That's the problem with Kerry--he automatically assumes everyone understands what he's on about.  The people of Middle America--y'know, the people who aren't voting for the liberal candidates--aren't able to catch on to that, there's obviously going to be some backlash.  And yes, it is shameful for the White House to be exploding this.

While we're on the topic, why don't you just get off your little self-righteous high horse?  Instead of essentially calling me a raging ultra-neocon who watches Fox News day in/day out and takes everything the Bush White House says for 100% bonafide truth and doesn't give the other side an ounce of credit, all in response to me defending myself and all the others who misconstrued Kerry's remarks from Kazan calling us all psychopathic morons, why don't you just take a couple of pills and sit down?  Knee-jerk reaction indeed.

called American troops retards and ****-ups.

well.. considering he didn't say what you claim he said

Yes, it is.  In context, he said that whoever drops out of high school or college gets stuck in Iraq, so that would imply some ounce of stupidity, no?  Yes, I used some colorful wording, but isn't essentially the same thing?

[Inquisitor]

Its not nitpicking, it's a HUGE chunk of the bloody platform. So you can't actually be bothered to understand your opposition?

That's stupid.

And you're still on about what you WANT to believe he meant. That's also pretty stupid.

I won't be trod on anymore by this uninformed, right wing stupidity. I am patriotic, I care, and anyone who says otherwise will get it in the face from me. Read, understand, listen, pay attention. Or stay out of my way.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, and all *I* ever hear from you right wing whack jobs is soundbites, and praise for killing american soldiers. Stay the course. 105 dead in October. I keep hearing how we "have a plan" yet, I keep seeing the body count rise. We haven't had a plan since day one, and the people responsible for that would prefer we not pay attention to that detail. Its ****ed, and its not getting better. And all you want to do is belittle a man who fought for the country and wants to make it better because he ****ed up a speech.

Mission accomplished indeed. How many soldiers have died on  the ground since that little mis-step?

I am done burying friends, and I want my country back.

And what he said was "If you don't do your homework, you will get stuck in Iraq." Read what I wrote again. You seem to have missed it the first time.

[Nuclear1]

I won't be trod on anymore by this uninformed, right wing stupidity. I am patriotic, I care, and anyone who says otherwise will get it in the face from me. Read, understand, listen, pay attention. Or stay out of my way.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, and all *I* ever hear from you right wing whack jobs is soundbites, and praise for killing american soldiers. Stay the course. 105 dead in October. I keep hearing how we "have a plan" yet, I keep seeing the body count rise. We haven't had a plan since day one, and the people responsible for that would prefer we not pay attention to that detail. Its ****ed, and its not getting better. And all you want to do is belittle a man who fought for the country and wants to make it better because he ****ed up a speech.

There you go again, labelling me as a far-right nut job when I detest what Bush has done with the war just as much as anyone else.  Believe it or not, I know what it's like to have friends and people you went to high school with go off and never come back.  And yes, I'm pissed off just as much that the media is making this big a ****ing deal about this, when nothing in this election is about Kerry anyway. 

Now, will you quit acting like you and I stand on completely opposite sides of the political spectrum and realize that I care for this country just as much as you?  For God's sake, my faith in this country is why I joined the military, and I'm thoroughly disgusted by how politicians want to parade soldiers and the military around as some sort of shield against criticism and scrutiny. 

As I said before, my earlier reaction expressed I thought when I first read it.  I don't believe it what's he meant anymore, after reading from other sources and connecting some dots, and I thoroughly apologize for any hint that I still thought the joke was aimed at the soldiers.

[Inquisitor]

That, is a reasonable response. Apology accepted and one offered in return.

Help me make it an informed decision, not one built on fear and distrust.

[Kazan]

As I said before, my earlier reaction expressed I thought when I first read it.  I don't believe it what's he meant anymore, after reading from other sources and connecting some dots, and I thoroughly apologize for any hint that I still thought the joke was aimed at the soldiers.

cheers then!

[Bobboau]

oh, well...
it's already been forgotten