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Offline Kosh

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Vista and DRM
on: November 16, 2006, 02:01:49 am
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Offline Nuke

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #1 on: November 19, 2006, 06:02:51 pm
the problem with drm is that its useless against non-protected media. people can rip to analog if need be. mp3s and other drm-less formats should still work. if they dont, then alot of people with big collections will be pissed at microsoft.
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Offline achtung

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #2 on: November 19, 2006, 06:18:42 pm
Someone will have the whole system reverse-engineered and publish a way around it within a few months.
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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #3 on: November 19, 2006, 06:42:17 pm
The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.

If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.
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Offline Turey

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #4 on: November 19, 2006, 06:50:07 pm
I don't like the "Hard Drive can't be accessed if it switches computers" thing though.
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Offline Inquisitor

Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #5 on: November 19, 2006, 07:02:16 pm
Well, you'll still have Linux.

You have to make choices. If you want games, either get a console or get a Vista machine. I fy ouwant system felxibility, dual boot or build a second machine.

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Offline Taristin

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #6 on: November 19, 2006, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: an0n on November 19, 2006, 06:42:17 pm
The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.

If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.

Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.

Bull****, IMO.
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Offline Bobboau

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #7 on: November 19, 2006, 07:33:03 pm
which is were high def camera's come in...
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #8 on: November 19, 2006, 07:42:24 pm
Quote from: Taristin on November 19, 2006, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: an0n on November 19, 2006, 06:42:17 pm
The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.

If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.

Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.

Bull****, IMO.


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Offline Hippo

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #9 on: November 19, 2006, 09:43:05 pm
There'll be a workaround within a month or two.
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Offline Descenterace

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #10 on: November 20, 2006, 12:32:04 am
Quote from: Taristin on November 19, 2006, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: an0n on November 19, 2006, 06:42:17 pm
The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.

If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.

Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.

Bull****, IMO.

And how does it know that the kit it's connected to isn't lying about its capabilities? Companies pull **** like that all the time. Some DVD drives claim features they do not, in fact, have.
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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #11 on: November 20, 2006, 04:51:14 am
Quote from: Bobboau on November 19, 2006, 07:33:03 pm
which is were high def camera's come in...

Entirely my point.

As Hi-Def viewing technology becomes cheaper and more widespread, so does the Hi-Def camera technology.

And once the image and sound have left the screen and speakers respectively, they're up for grabs.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #12 on: November 20, 2006, 12:00:54 pm
I think consumers are not going to take to this DRM technology. It's just so draconian and heavy-handed that it will piss a lot of people off. The public may not be involved enough to know the consequences of all these stupid things put forward by "content holders", but it will become quite clear to them when the consequences manifest themselves on their computers. And then, as Khruschev said, vee vill bury you!

I'm in agreement with this article that DRM is a serious threat to the viability of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats, and by extension, the PlayStation 3. Look out, Sony!
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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #13 on: November 20, 2006, 05:52:38 pm
So, wait, ok - if I can't take a hard drive out of my computer and plug it into another one anymore, how do they expect people to go about system upgrades, IT people to go about their general tasks, and restore companies to glean data off of a dead HD?
 

Offline Hippo

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #14 on: November 20, 2006, 08:27:02 pm
Theres going to be a lot of issues with custom computers and stuff with that.
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Offline Descenterace

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #15 on: November 21, 2006, 12:22:58 am
BitLocker's optional. If you want to use the disk in another machine, turn it off.

Of course, Dell et al will leave it on by default, so the average user will still get screwed by it.
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Offline Nuke

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #16 on: November 21, 2006, 11:13:37 am
drive encryprtion has been around forever, sence 2k, but microsoft just decided to rename it as a new feature. i just hope its off by default. or il be forced to use a legacy file system, if it even supports em.
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Offline ChronoReverse

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #17 on: November 22, 2006, 07:04:48 pm
It's off by default and in fact only available in the Business Edition and Ultimate since it's really corporate customers that will be interested in this.
 

Offline Taristin

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #18 on: November 22, 2006, 09:50:37 pm
It is indeed off. And you need a system with a hardware TMP or something to use it anyway.
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Offline asyikarea51

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Re: Vista and DRM
Reply #19 on: November 22, 2006, 10:17:27 pm
So if I were to build a new rig and load it with Vista, I wouldn't need to worry much about the locked-up hard disk when xferring it to another computer?

I consider myself an average user... either way I'm still against all this crap.
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