Bloody hell, this is getting multicoloured.
An "occupation" that's allowing Iraq to build and grow thier own military and (oh the libs will wuv this) police force, to keep the oppressors out of the region until Iraq can actually defend itself. These people aren't simply "insurgents". They're people that think God has given them the right to kill.
Unfortunately, it's that very police force that's involved with the insurgency & looming sectarian civil war; just look at the questioning of senior police officials following yesterdays (or 2 days ago depending on timezones I guess)
mass kidnapping, the
police linked death squads, and the
torture scandals. Not to mention the democratic credentials of the current government are very suspect, what with the role of the Mehdi army (as but one example) providing security for polling rather than the US or police in Sadr city and the closeness of the ruling party to Iran.
You miss the point. If you drop the bull**** stereotype and read the whole sentence, there's more to it than a silly little "American attitude". I don't think you realize that giving up will be also giving up everything that has been done over there. We'd be totally giving up on any chance of stability, any chance of having Iraq govern itself in a non oppressive, electoral way, along with that the whole world will sit and point and laugh at the "mighty" US Military. It's more than image, it's everything we've worked for the past few years.
Nothing has been achieved in Iraq beyond the creation of conditions for a sectarian civil war, and the removal of any sort of stability or security. The whole world is not laughing at the Us military, it's bemoaning the incompetance and lack of even basic planning that failed to anticipate the simple truth - Iraqis will not tolerate a foreign occupier, regardless of whether they take up arms against them or not. Nothing has been achieved in Iraq beyond death, destruction and a recruiting call for all would be jiihadists and fundamentalist terrorists.
Again, why rely on a corrupt organization, corrupt from the near beginning? We have asked other countries for help and they have either decided they will or wont. IIRC, your country is still assisting US and UK soldiers in Iraq. With nations willing to help, this can come to a positive conclusion.
And the US isn't corrupt? Look at how many billions were lost and even allowed to be stolen from the reconstruction fund, for example. My hope is that
my country pulls our arse out as quick as possible before more troops are killed needlessly and pointlessly. This ill-conceived war has cost too much money and too much blood, and it's only put us in greater danger.
Stable as in stable for these extremist organizations to grow and refine thier methods of control. These people who think God has given them the right to kill someone. The same people who want YOU and ME DEAD, because I'm an American, and you're an American ally. (You yourself may claim not to be, it's your choice, but just by taking a look at what skin color you have, where you live and how you speak, well that's enough to them to say DIE, Infidel.) You forget that many regions that were overly oppressed and dangerous to even be in have been liberated, converted into much safer, albeit not as safe as you walking down the street to the corner store, but safer communities. Communities where people can finally go back to school, or get medical care without fear of being shot in the street. How's that for peace?
Strangely, they had that under Saddam (at least prior to debilitating sanctions). What's been swapped is organized governmental repression (which I have no doubt will return, albeit under a 'friendly' guise) for anarchic chaos and death; an anarchy spawned by the presence of foreign occupiers who value their own troops lives so much higher than those of ordinary Iraqis that we see the likes of Fallujah.
It wouldn't matter if we were there for six months or six years, we'd still incur casualties because we're dealing with an enemy that will stop at nothing to kill everyone who doesnt agree with thier exact way of life. This is good for those people who want to see this country become a civilized, democratic nation. Look at the leader it had before, and tell me with a straight face that it was civilized before. (rape rooms, mass graves, doesn't matter who put them there, under that regime, they were allowed to be created and used!)
So having yet another failure, by pulling out and watching the country descend into chaos would be good for the US military? I think not.
The country is failing already. The US has failed, because it failed to understand what Iraqis want. If they'd marched in, removed Saddam, and marched out, the situation would actually be better than it is now (shockingly); instead so much of the basic power structure was demolished it created this chaos we see now.
The "job" in question here IS Stabilizing the area and providing support to the country's military. It's also to protect as best as they can, civilians and the new system of government that, well, reportedly, many Iraqi's want put into place! Once the military force has been brought up to strength and can show competency in what they have to do, a phased withdrawal would probably be what you'd see. Of course, for people who're jumping and screaming that there's absolutely no winnable outcome here, that's not good enough.
Pulling out will not give you a positive outcome, it will result in more chaos, and more dead innocent people. Relying on corruption will not give you a positive outcome, it will give you a leadership even worse than Saddam has given. Relying on other countries who support this effort will help give a positive outcome by clearing out the oppressors and promoting the new, free-er way of life.
What has the US done to help Iraq? Bombs? Corrupt rebuilding contracts where corrupt contractors are excused from prosecution even when they leave (literally) an accounting memo of their fraudulent billing at the meeting table?
It's easy to paint the insurgents as oppressors - but many ordinary Iraqis see the US in the same way. How much wyou should to run your country from now on'? The Iraqis are a proud people, and the presence of foreign troops dictating the growth of their nation, breaking into their homes without respect, killing civillians with seeming impunity is nothing less than a humiliation for them.
There was a winnable outcome once. It died the day the US decided to invade Iraq with a force without the numbers, plan or ability to provide basic security after they removed every single aspect of government and created a power vacuum for looting and anarchy.
