[Gank]

Ya.

Anatoly Chubais:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Chubais
Yegor Gaidar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yegor_Gaidar

In 1992 under the guidance of Chubais the State Property Committee designed a privatization program, according to which the state property was supposed to be fairly distributed between the citizens. In actuality, ordinary citizens gained pieces of paper ("vouchers") worth of one bottle of vodka, whereas the people at key position in governing structures, their relatives and business associates obtained enormous amounts of wealth.

These guys are despised in russia, if Putin is behind this its not going to do him much harm domesticly.

[vyper]

oooookayyy.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6159343.stm

* vyper nervously shifts into the shadows on this topic

[Goober5000]

What gets me is all this stuff about 4 planes being investigated for radiation. Why on Earth would they have carried radioactive material for this job on 4 different planes?

Hmm.  To make it look like a generalized terrorist attack maybe?

[NGTM-1R]

Or they couldn't identify which one, only that it was one of several?

[aldo_14]

What gets me is all this stuff about 4 planes being investigated for radiation. Why on Earth would they have carried radioactive material for this job on 4 different planes?

Hmm.  To make it look like a generalized terrorist attack maybe?

How would it achieve that?

[karajorma]

What I'm wondering is why on Earth you'd be detecting radiation on the planes in the first place. Polonium is an alpha emitter which means that you can easily block the radiation with whatever container it was in. The planes shouldn't be radioactive at all due to it.

Something else is going on.

[aldo_14]

What I'm wondering is why on Earth you'd be detecting radiation on the planes in the first place. Polonium is an alpha emitter which means that you can easily block the radiation with whatever container it was in. The planes shouldn't be radioactive at all due to it.

Something else is going on.

Assuming it was correctly contained.  The alternate theory is from bodily fluids from another poisoned person.

[vyper]

*somewhere over the North Sea* "Erm, lads why is the toilet door glowing?"

[karajorma]

The alternate theory is from bodily fluids from another poisoned person.

That's kinda my point. You wouldn't get contamination on 4 or 5 planes from them importing the polonium to the country and AFAIK the guy who died (I can't be bothered to look up the spelling ) didn't travel on any of the planes. Which means that someone else is wondering around with a gut full of polonium.

[vyper]

Or several people are. Which is even weirder.

[Gank]

They'd be dead by now.

Something odd:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6186666.stm

The other location, in Grosvenor Street, is the headquarters of security and risk management company Erinys.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Erinys_International_Ltd.
Whats he doing there then? As for the other guy, he flew to a hospital in moscow when he got ill, hardly the best place to go if the russian government is trying to poison you.

[aldo_14]

They'd be dead by now.

Something odd:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6186666.stm

The other location, in Grosvenor Street, is the headquarters of security and risk management company Erinys.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Erinys_International_Ltd.
Whats he doing there then? As for the other guy, he flew to a hospital in moscow when he got ill, hardly the best place to go if the russian government is trying to poison you.

Purportedly, he had been named (at a meeting) as on a 'hit list'; my understanding is that he (purportedly) went to Erinys to acquire bodyguards.

[karajorma]

They'd be dead by now.

Depends on the dose they gave them. And when it was given to them. There's no evidence about either (or that there is anyone else for that matter!).

[Gank]

That full stop at the end of the link is part of it, need to add it to the title bar to see the page.

that would make sense Aldo except according to Erinys:

Litvinenko visited the Erinys offices "on a matter totally unrelated to issues now being investigated by the police," the company said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/28/news/spy.php
One would think hiring bodyguards would have been related.

This is really interesting:
http://www.bhhrg.org/mediaDetails.asp?ArticleID=849
Yid wonder if an employee of a man threatening a coup going to the offices of a company which employs 14000 mercenaries is relevant to that article.

found this as well:
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=YW3031587Q&news_headline=polonium_210_available_on_the_web
http://www.osmolabstore.com/OsmoLabPage.dll?BuildPage&1&1&1005
maybe this poisoning wasnt as sophisticated as people think.

this whole thing stinks to the high heavens.

[vyper]

You would need a ridiculously large quantity ordered from these sources to create an effective poison.

[Gank]

No, not really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium#Toxicity
"Since 210Po radiates 166 TBq per gram[17], a fatal 4 Sv dose can be caused by ingesting 8 MBq (200 microcurie), about 50 nanogram, or inhaling 1.6 MBq (40 microcurie), about 10 ng"

http://www.osmolabstore.com/OsmoLabPage.dll?BuildPage&1&1&1005
"Strength     500 microcuries"

One should do it.

[karajorma]

Yep. It's rather shockingly easy to get hold of this stuff. But that kind of proves my point that it's also pretty easy to stop it leaking radioactive material everywhere. A thin leaf of gold foil is all that is needed.

If it were easy to contaminate things using it then I doubt it would be available to purchase over the internet. I'm almost tempted to buy one just to see if someone with an Iranian surname buying this stuff sets off any red flags somewhere

[Goober5000]

I dunno.  Just speculating.  If "terrorists" were doing a general radiological attack, then it would draw attention away from theories that someone was specifically targeted.

[aldo_14]

I dunno.  Just speculating.  If "terrorists" were doing a general radiological attack, then it would draw attention away from theories that someone was specifically targeted.

If it was a general attack, then we'd know about it; it's not like Labour is keen to underplay 'terrorist threats', after all.