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Offline Gank

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Honestly, I never got that. Jew A chooses to believe that Jew B is the Messiah, and just because more non-Jews believe that Jew B is the Messiah means that Jew A is a "convert"?

They're probably classing judaism as a religion, rather than an ethnic group. Its less confusing.

Clarification: I live in the "occupied territories" (a.k.a. Judea and Samaria... Judea in my case) and have taken part in military operations against terrorists.

Is that not what I said? As for the terrorists, why are they in those camps?

I'm whole-heartedly "guilty" of identifying with number 16.
You're an extremist then  :p

Ye didnt have to reply to them all you know. I think that one means you think gods talking directly to you, or has singled you out personally. Otherwise all religious people would be extremists. Likewise no 4. Think no 9 probably refers to peacetime too. The one I had you in mind for was 12:

12: This needs to be defined better.

Doomsday, Har Megido, the final battle. Think you're guilty of this one mate.


 

Offline Flipside

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Personally I think the two of you should agree to disagree, this is really going round in circles and it's not like either of you are going to reach a compromise.

 

Offline Gank

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Ya you're right. Do enjoy talking with you though sandwich, while I may not share your beliefs at least you're able to defend them without getting your knickers in a twist.

 

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It's been an interesting read to be honest, you both obviously know your stuff, I suppose I just have concerns that it's better to say your piece and leave on a friendly footing despite the opposing views than risk it descending from debate into argument.

If Sandwich is happy to continue then I'll shut up and leave you both alone ;)

 

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It's actually been the first time I can remember debating with Gank and not getting utterly annoyed at him. :p But I still say he needs to come visit ground zero(s) here, to see things firsthand. ;)

12: This needs to be defined better.
Doomsday, Har Megido, the final battle. Think you're guilty of this one mate.

What about it, though? Do I believe it will happen? Yes, I do. Do I obsess over it and throw it into people's faces as the reason why they need to repent and be saved, for The End is at hand? Not quite, no. :p Which are they referring to?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline Gank

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That you think the end is coming counts as doomsday thinking, running around telling everyone they're going to die would be preaching I'd think. As for me coming over there, not in the near future but I wouldnt rule it out. Do know people who have been and dont think it'd really make me more sympathetic towards yis.

 

Offline Sandwich

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Sympathetic is not what I'm looking for. Just a slight jolt of on-the-ground reality, of the "observing life on both sides of the conflict without the frame being pre-cropped by a lens" variety. :)
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Personally I think the two of you should agree to disagree, this is really going round in circles and it's not like either of you are going to reach a compromise.

Flipside, you're in a real danger of becoming an HLP social worker.
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I think it's kind of amusing that he steps in during the one debate between Gank and I where I, at least, don't feel like ripping Gank's head off. :p ;)
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline Gank

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I dont rely on the camera as my only source of information, currently reading Hamas by Michael Levitt for example. Anyways while the view on the ground is important, its possible to get caught up in the nuts and bolts of things and lose sight of the bigger picture. As for ripping my head off, very unchristian of you.  :p

 

Offline Flipside

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Personally I think the two of you should agree to disagree, this is really going round in circles and it's not like either of you are going to reach a compromise.

Flipside, you're in a real danger of becoming an HLP social worker.

Would you like to talk about it? :p

 

Offline aldo_14

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Oh, i like to talk about it.

 

Offline Inquisitor

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This whole last page of replies has been academically interesting. Even the character of the replies themselves. Informative AND reasonably respctful of each other.

Sad that more people can't conduct discussion of personal philosophies in such an adult and intelligent manner.

Maybe that's the take home lesson in general...
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Offline Flipside

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I think it's kind of amusing that he steps in during the one debate between Gank and I where I, at least, don't feel like ripping Gank's head off. :p ;)

I've only been moderating General for a week, give me time :p

 

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I dont rely on the camera as my only source of information, currently reading Hamas by Michael Levitt for example. Anyways while the view on the ground is important, its possible to get caught up in the nuts and bolts of things and lose sight of the bigger picture. As for ripping my head off, very unchristian of you.  :p

Ahh, but the big picture is composed of nothing but teeny-tiny pixels! :)

Christian != Vulcan, or Jedi, or whatever.... WE HAVE FEELINGS TOO!!!!!!1112234 If you prick us, do we not bleed all over the carpet?

I've only been moderating General for a week, give me time :p

Oh, right - you're being mod-like. I forgot about that. Very well, carry on then! Although I must say that if you ever need to moderate an admin, I will be quite amused. :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill