[Bob-san]

Look at Pataki (R-NY)... he is a good canidate and he's exploring the possibility for '08...

Most people say they won't vote for Clinton just because she is like a single piece of paper in a hurricane... she goes whatever way the wind blows... besides with Hil back in there, Bil will pull the strings AGAIN... that'll be his first unoffical term, sort of like his 3rd presidency term...

[IceFire]

Not sure if having Bill having a "third term" would be a bad thing either...it would be an interesting situation.  Clinton I understand is still higher than Bush on any popularity rating you can find.  The man seems to be universally liked.

[Centrixo]

you got my vote on clinton, bill that is. not hilary. too much of a b**ch.  thats my 2 cents.

[Turey]

Not sure if having Bill having a "third term" would be a bad thing either...it would be an interesting situation.  Clinton I understand is still higher than Bush on any popularity rating you can find.  The man seems to be universally liked.

He pays his prostitutes well, so they vote for him in the opinion polls.

[Centrixo]

i got to say at least bill had a brain unlike these other morons that led the country, he had affairs, problems like everyone else family issues. so what if he likes abit of fun so, dont the rest of us?.
i admit even playing corridor 7 the old shooter game based on a building and you have to destroy the vortex that leads to a space station with aliens(purely for fun), and bodycount(terrorist shoot em up). hell i even play warzone 2100(futuristic based building game where you defeat enemy factions after a nuclear war). but the point is bill showed us, the rest of the world that he existed, and isnt a zombie like bush. that probably made him more popular imo.

but you compare that to bush, theres none of the human qualities, except his daughter . bring on the new president

[Blue Lion]

I still have corridor 7

[Nuclear1]

Oh trust me, McCain is gonna be doing plenty of sucking up to the far right.

I have no doubt, with some of the things he's done to piss them off he'll need to make a lot of BS to get them to let him run as there candidate.

Well, considering how he already plans to deploy more troops to Iraq, sucking up to the hawks isn't a problem.  His timetable for withdrawal, however, might be a problem to the extreme right.  However, we've seen recently (especially in 2006) that swing voters and centrists are going to play a huge role, as they are the ones that voted in the more centrist candidates.

Well I actually met Obama, and the man actually has a brain in there which I can not say for the rest of the government.

If McCain is ran, it's only because the Republicans are trying to distance themselves from their more right-wing elements due to seeing what damage Bush has done. However, I expect the same thing to happen as with the past several elections the more moderate Repubs get torpedoed by the hawks. No matter how much sucking up McCain does to the extremists he's still not a good puppet.

If the dems are smart they'll run Obama, solidify their base, and make damn sure that McCain and Gulliani are lambasted by Republicans for being "too liberal." Still, I only expect McCain or Gulliani to run if the Republicans are really... really... scared. They might be desperate enough now to give up pushing things to the right for a bit, but somehow I think they still believe everyone wants rightwing politics and Iraq is an inconvenience as opposed to a symptom of their greater issues.

The Republicans might have had a rough term, but they're not stupid.  Check out the midterm elections:  a lot of the Democrats that won weren't Clintonite Dems or extreme liberals; they were typically conservative Democrats.  The Republicans will run a reasonably-centrist candidate like McCain, and the Dems will run someone fresh like Obama.  I doubt the Republicans will torpedo McCain, especially if Republican voters nominate him for the run; the Republicans are starting to distance themselves from the neoconservatives and far right, simply because they've seen how unpopular Bush has been.

What the American government needs is a divided one:  Dems hold the Congress, and Republicans control the White House, or any other situation where ideologies conflict between the two branches.  It seems to have helped the US over the past 50 years or so.  A divided government will ensure that stuff gets done, but it gets done only after thorough debate between the two branches, which is sorely needed at the moment.  Otherwise, we're back to the same situation as we saw with Bush and a Republican Congress (and, to some extent, a parliamentary system).

[Quest_techie]

easiest way for dems to win presidency.

johnson dies\resigns, repubs put through a draft

now that isn't going to happen, but, it's a "nice" thought

and a draft is worth it because, frankly, we need something to motivate the apathetic youth of america to do SOMETHING, something that affects "me" is usually the easiest way to do that, and spoiled americans get pissed when you force us to go to police action

[brozozo]

You're quite right. A draft would motivate me. It would motivate me to move to Canada.

How old are you? That doesn't really matter. Regardless of your age, you're perpetrating the stereotype that the youth of the U.S. are useless idiots and should rightly **** off. It's true we've got our fair share of bad apples, but look at the good ones. They're so shiny! Go ahead, take a bite.

[Centrixo]

well what ever floats your boat . apples or not. why would you move to canada because a person who you hate is in charge?, dont make sense to me. fair enough if its someone like the guy that runs zimbabwe, but usa isnt an african dictator.

not all youth is a bunch of useless people, people who respond here are young and use there minds, such as moddling and making a old neglected game better.  linked to the last post(d3r3k)

[IceFire]

well what ever floats your boat . apples or not. why would you move to canada because a person who you hate is in charge?, dont make sense to me. fair enough if its someone like the guy that runs zimbabwe, but usa isnt an african dictator.

He's saying he'd move to Canada if they introduced The Draft.  Which means mandatory military service like in Vietnam.  Just to be clear.

He's not saying anything about moving because he doesn't like the leader.

[Maxwell]

Just to note: Mandatory Military service does not make someone anti war or pro to any particular party.
It also does not force the rich to send their children into combat, it never did before.

Charlie Rangals (D) plan for the draft is slated to backfire, since that man often does more talking than thinking.
Its also not going anywhere.

[Quest_techie]

You're quite right. A draft would motivate me. It would motivate me to move to Canada.

How old are you? That doesn't really matter. Regardless of your age, you're perpetrating the stereotype that the youth of the U.S. are useless idiots and should rightly **** off. It's true we've got our fair share of bad apples, but look at the good ones. They're so shiny! Go ahead, take a bite.

it does matter, I know a great deal about the apathetic youth because, god damn, I am one of them <20 in january>

and even though you personally would move to canada, not everyone would make that descision <if canada would shelter draft dodgers this time, they've occasionally said they wouldn't, I'd go for holland, harder to get in by far, but much better uality of life, start learning dutch now, plus chicks think multi lingual guys are hot>

some people would protest, when there actually have been protests in this nations history <rare> stuff happened, the major reason the anti-war movement of vietnam was so much stronger than this one was the draftee army, the media coverage was also certainly a factor, watch vietnam coverage then watch iraq coverage HUGE difference

we should be flipping out as much if not more about this police action, but the american people won't because it is a volunteer armed forces, the argument can always be "well, they chose to be there" and even if it isn't said aloud it is lurking somewhere

if a draft got passed the people who wee getting drafted and didn't want to go would need someone to blame, it'd be the party who passed it, whoever that was, but the dems could recover in this climate <after a republican president was elected> the republicans would have a much harder time of it, and if this new guy is as troop hungry as mcnamara, or if we get engaged on another ground, we are going to need a draft, just depends on who is in the majority when the hammer comes down

and rangals didn't have much backing to begin with, his was a political move, it wasn't to see if it would pass, far from it, it was to see something else, I don't know what, but they were testing something <think load testing, you are running say prime numbers calculations, but they aren't the outcome>

[Maxwell]

Rangel seemed pretty serious that he wanted it passed, and his reasoning was that the rich would then know the cost of war...

Rich people tend not to get sent to wars. 
They get into the national guard, get out on doctors notes, get excused for other reasons or get out of the country just in time to avoid it. When they do get drafted, they often get cushy positions that bear none of the risks normal soldiers face.

Forcing a rifle on someone wont make them a dove. 
Throwing more poor people into the grinder wont change anything for the better. Especially if the media is going to paint them all as villains or tools of "the man" at the end of the day.

Wars are going to happen and its better for everyone, citizens and the military, if our soldiers have freely chosen to be there.

[Ghost]

Unless I'm mistaken, Obama hasn't announced his candidacy yet. I honestly think it'd be pretty funny if he didn't run after all this hype.

As for his experience, I haven't really researched him, but he is a senator. That kinda says something about a person... one would hope so, anyway. And he is rather charismatic, which means he can deal well with the people. I'd be much happier with him in power than that damned Hilary. Christ.

Also chiming in to say that if anyone tries to take anyone's firearms away I'll ****ing gut them.

[Centrixo]

typical. firearms, the united kingdom and other european countries dont need firearms and the usa should be the same as an example. one reason why im staying out of the usa is for that reason.

its good that people arent forced to go into the crusher and die for no reason, well that is until the president orders that to happen, if your right ghost and obama is a peoples man, then i think obama will pull these men out of the crusher before its too late. over 1000 americans have died in iraq already. i hope its for the best. 

[Ford Prefect]

Over 1,000? Try almost 3,000.

[Centrixo]

yeah around that. it was only a rough guess, no need to be specific

[Nuclear1]

As for his experience, I haven't really researched him, but he is a senator. That kinda says something about a person... one would hope so, anyway. And he is rather charismatic, which means he can deal well with the people. I'd be much happier with him in power than that damned Hilary. Christ.

Anyone's better than Hillary in power, honestly.  I don't have a problem with Obama's politics; it's his lack of political experience that makes me pissed off; he's got less than ten years at the local level, and only about half of one term at the national level.

Which is why Bayh would've been such a great choice; his nine years as Indiana's governor were possibly the best in the state's 190-year history (he had an 80% approval rating; bear in mind, he's a Democrat in the solidly-red Indiana).  He's got eight years in the Senate under his belt, and is typically one of the most moderate politicans of the day.

**** you Democratic Party for letting an extremist like Hillary and a newbie like Obama overshadow that.  Just because they happen to non-WASP males, doesn't mean they should get any more attention than those that are.

[Maxwell]

european countries dont need firearms and the usa should be the same as an example

Personally I don't like the thought of having my house raided by the police and letting them cart off my personal stuff just to make an example of me to someone in some other part of the world.  The very notion that a US politician might honestly think that way sends cold shivers down my spine.

If other nations want it so, silly as it may seem, thats their own choice to make.