[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Zeronet:
Nah the Hangers would have rails and the fighters would scream out faster than the eye and blast Cancer Wing. Also if this Cancer wing is at long range the Beams wont get them and they might use their "Long" Range missiles to destroy the beams. Also its called a Hanger not a fighterbay, because Bombers use them too!

Would a Iris work on a subspace portal? Like the one in stargate.

No, fs2 can't animate such a thing. But iwar2 can... mmh,... Mikhael!!!! I have a very mean idea about Lpoints  

[Zeronet]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
No, fs2 can't animate such a thing. But iwar2 can... mmh,... Mikhael!!!! I have a very mean idea about Lpoints  

Hahaha, I'd have to download that. Adds a new sense of fear/fun to traveling through them.

[Shrike]

Personally, I don't see any point in having it connect.  In almost all cases, nodes in FS don't have an Arcadia nearby, and so having to stick an Arcadia next to a node would mean having to construct an entire additional station.  Sure you can move it, but you need something at the original place, because Arcadias are probable positioned in good positions for the system traffic.  Carting one off to the edge of the system isn't going to do any good.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Personally, I don't see any point in having it connect.  In almost all cases, nodes in FS don't have an Arcadia nearby, and so having to stick an Arcadia next to a node would mean having to construct an entire additional station.  Sure you can move it, but you need something at the original place, because Arcadias are probable positioned in good positions for the system traffic.  Carting one off to the edge of the system isn't going to do any good.

looking at missions, arcadias are never far from nodes, plus you forget one thing: if there's a gate, it's because the node was unusable, and therefor I doubt there was any arcadia or civilian traffic before the thing was built. So the fact that the new opened node is turned into a pivot point for trade routes is a perfectly reasonable idea.

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[Shrike]

Enif Station?  There weren't any nodes there.  And even if you've moved the arcadia to act as a 'customs check' or something similar, you'll still need one at the original location for all the other traffic.

[Zeronet]

The knossos can make new nodes so mabye thats a reason its attached to the station.

[mikhael]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
No, fs2 can't animate such a thing. But iwar2 can... mmh,... Mikhael!!!! I have a very mean idea about Lpoints  

It could be done. It would be mean as hell, yes. A Lag blocker installation with a giant door to cover the red side of the Lag. *heh*

You would need someway to trigger the open/close animation, of course. You could probably trigger it off some conversation threads or some such. Or you could add a program to the CPU in the ship with some scripting on it. Activate the scripting off a disused key (like they did with the location finder) and use that to send a simple Boolean logic 'open/close' signal to the Lag Door scripts.

Give the Lag Door the mass of a biobomber and it won't even budge when a Megatransport comes screaming out of capsule space. *grin*



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[Ulala]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Personally, I don't see any point in having it connect.  In almost all cases, nodes in FS don't have an Arcadia nearby, and so having to stick an Arcadia next to a node would mean having to construct an entire additional station.  Sure you can move it, but you need something at the original place, because Arcadias are probable positioned in good positions for the system traffic.  Carting one off to the edge of the system isn't going to do any good.

If you connected it to the portal with a type of an arm like some were saying before, you could make it possible to disconnect it. Dunno what benefit that'd have, if any though.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Enif Station?  There weren't any nodes there.  And even if you've moved the arcadia to act as a 'customs check' or something similar, you'll still need one at the original location for all the other traffic.

enif? don't remember this one... damn! I need to play through fs2 again.
Anyway, as I said, a place w/o nodes was unlikely to be colonized, so the arcadia is probably built there to give the gate a security powersource, once the node is properly stabilized. Once the traffic around has increased and people begins to exploit thne system, I guess as you say it would need stations next to planets, but then something smaller than the arcadia would be enough I suppose, anything big enough to be obliged to use use the arcadia is most likely able to deal with larger distances to cover (subspace drives, stuff like that). Arcadias next to trading routes are for ships that don't have such possibilities (otherwise what the heck, the arcadia could be anywhere, a sigle intra system jump could bring you there).

[Zeronet]

 

Originally posted by mikhael:
It could be done. It would be mean as hell, yes. A Lag blocker installation with a giant door to cover the red side of the Lag. *heh*

You would need someway to trigger the open/close animation, of course. You could probably trigger it off some conversation threads or some such. Or you could add a program to the CPU in the ship with some scripting on it. Activate the scripting off a disused key (like they did with the location finder) and use that to send a simple Boolean logic 'open/close' signal to the Lag Door scripts.

Give the Lag Door the mass of a biobomber and it won't even budge when a Megatransport comes screaming out of capsule space. *grin*

Sit back and enjoy the cargo. It would make cool stuff for missions, like a restricted system or access to the core worlds.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Zeronet:
Sit back and enjoy the cargo. It would make cool stuff for missions, like a restricted system or access to the core worlds.

well, I imagine that rather as a defensive door, for emergencies, you know: "we have found out that the maas fleet was gathering in coyote, and the police has decided to stop all trafic and close the Lpoint"
Anyway, I just realized that idea wasn't new... the accelerator has her LDA shield.

[Zeronet]

Still the iris bit is. It opens and closes at the press of a button.

[Shrike]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
enif? don't remember this one... damn! I need to play through fs2 again.
Anyway, as I said, a place w/o nodes was unlikely to be colonized, so the arcadia is probably built there to give the gate a security powersource, once the node is properly stabilized. Once the traffic around has increased and people begins to exploit thne system, I guess as you say it would need stations next to planets, but then something smaller than the arcadia would be enough I suppose, anything big enough to be obliged to use use the arcadia is most likely able to deal with larger distances to cover (subspace drives, stuff like that). Arcadias next to trading routes are for ships that don't have such possibilities (otherwise what the heck, the arcadia could be anywhere, a sigle intra system jump could bring you there).

You missed the point though.  You'd still need an Arcadia at the original position though, because it would be an administrative center, and for the first while, as exploration progresses in the new system a defense cordon of warships should be sufficient. Only after the system has been colonized would the resources of an Arcadia realistically be needed.

[Sandwich]

Thanks Venom - Shrike's question was a good one, and it had me stumped.

And Shrike, your rebuttal is valid, but not relevant. The concept of the GTEx* series is to expand the capabilities of the Arcadia-class installations. That is certainly not limited to currently existing ones; it simply enables the Arcadia "production lines" to go on producing them without major changes, while enhancing the Arcadia's capabilities in different areas.

So, a portal would become a center of transit, and a convienient location for an Arcadia (or two...   ) that also had a GTExP - a docking port enhancement.   This way the standard Arcadia could be used once again, which is the whole point.

Hmmm.. I had a nasty idea. Imagine this: GTVA builds one of these portals to Shivan space. They want protection without having to allocate a whole fleet to sit on the node. What do they do? The portal connects on numerous sides (2-6) to Arcadias. Each Arcadia has 2 GTExDs connected.  

EDIT: Whoops - I forgot the whole purpose of this reply - the latest screenshot!   I've thickened the portal quite a bit, and moved the beams from pylons to the hub itself. I've alos lowered them from 8 to 6.  
 

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[Shrike]

But would an Arcadia be warranted at just any old jumpnode?  I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to put the Arcadia there until you have a reason to put one there.  Which brings me back to my original point.  Make the jumpgate freestanding so you can A) use it without requiring an Arcadia and B) tow it around without requiring said Arcadia to come as well.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by sandwich:
Thanks Venom - Shrike's question was a good one, and it had me stumped.

And Shrike, your rebuttal is valid, but not relevant. The concept of the GTEx* series is to expand the capabilities of the Arcadia-class installations. That is certainly not limited to currently existing ones; it simply enables the Arcadia "production lines" to go on producing them without major changes, while enhancing the Arcadia's capabilities in different areas.

So, a portal would become a center of transit, and a convienient location for an Arcadia (or two...   ) that also had a GTExP - a docking port enhancement.   This way the standard Arcadia could be used once again, which is the whole point.

Hmmm.. I had a nasty idea. Imagine this: GTVA builds one of these portals to Shivan space. They want protection without having to allocate a whole fleet to sit on the node. What do they do? The portal connects on numerous sides (2-6) to Arcadias. Each Arcadia has 2 GTExDs connected.  

would be cool  

oh, the arcadia doesn't need to be there if we listen to shrike. ok, it can be a valid point. But what if you say the Gate can't work w/o an arcadia completly dedicated to it?  
yeah, coz I assume a thing like that needs a HUGE amount of energy to run. An arcadia can generates that. you take old arcadias replaced by newer stations, you give it the engine extension, bring it where you need it, and connect it to the gate like a giant energy battery. et voila  
Oh, asndwich, to defend a node, I think the best way is still the wing commander secret ops way:
you fill the area with remote bombs (nukes in WCSO, Meson bombs in FS2) and a camera satelite, and when a large shivan fleet jumps in, if command thinks it's really too big, they trigger the bomb and clean the area  

[Shrike]

Yeh, but what's easier..... moving an entire Arcadia and all the problems that entails or building a few extra fusion plants in the gate?

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Yeh, but what's easier..... moving an entire Arcadia and all the problems that entails or building a few extra fusion plants in the gate?

moving the arcadia would cost less, coz that way you won't have to build anything new (the engine extension can be used for multiple arcadias), no need to destroy the useless station (must cost bucks to get rid of such a garbage), saves the money for further studies to add a fusion plant thinguy on a huge thing subject to big vibrations and stuff probably, plus I should add, please stop coz I'm tired and i won't be able to find other stuff anymore  

[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Make the jumpgate freestanding...

But you already made one like that, silly!  

Ok, look at the Charon: it ain't just your everyday subspace portal - or is it? There aren't any standards for these things. The capabilities and strategic power that having a working one would give to it's operators is immense. So depending on the location and purpose (bridge to home, or gateway to the enemy), there would either way be a need for a station of some sort there, whether it would be to provide defense, ship maintanence facilities, or a trading port. Anyway you turn it, the Arcadia (with the addition of the GTExD for defense) fits the bill.  


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[Shrike]

You could just move the fusion plants around, you know.  Cheaper and easier.  And probably faster.