[Selectah]

Hiya,

After a hard drive crash (actually, two 80 GB hard drives at the same time, losing a ton of MP3's and all my FS stuff) I've downloaded the latest FSPort. As the last problem-free version seemingly was 2.3, I'm quietly wondering; does some/anyone have it uploaded some/anywhere? G5K? Is it seeded, p'raps?

Cordially,
~Selectah

(I only mentioned those drives, because I want you to feel sorry for me. Both on the same IDE channel, no less. Musta been a power surge or something.)

[Mars]

Why not just use the current version?

[Selectah]

You did read my post, didn't you?

[Turey]

You did read my post, didn't you?

I did, and I'm still wondering why you're not using 3.0.4. I've had no problems with it, and it seems completely stable to me.

[Mars]

There's a reason 2.3 isn't available... it's usually less stable and it has numerous inconsistencies from real deal FS1.

[Goober5000]

I can't imagine why any FSPort version could have been anything less than trouble-free for you.  Sure, people have occasional mod conflicts, but that has nothing to do with crashing hard drives.

Version 3.0.4 is just as trouble-free as 2.3, and from a modding perspective it's much more accurate, since as Mars said, 2.3 has inconsistencies and balance conflicts with the original FS1 missions.

Nevertheless, if you insist on using 2.3, you can still get it from the old website.
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/fsport/index2.html

[Selectah]

Hiya,

You did read my post, didn't you?

I did, and I'm still wondering why you're not using 3.0.4. I've had no problems with it, and it seems completely stable to me.

It seems it might have slipped you by, then. If it didn't, I'm sorry. If I would have zero probs with 3.0.4, I wouldn't be looking for 2.3, now would I? Further, because you had no probs w/ it doesn't mean anything to me.

I can't imagine why any FSPort version could have been anything less than trouble-free for you.  Sure, people have occasional mod conflicts, but that has nothing to do with crashing hard drives.

Ya, so it would seem. Hey, forget about the hard drives. There was nothing on them that I can't create anew. The stuff I'm a bit peeved about is I've lost 12 master files for an album I was mastering. Subsequently, I had to do all that stuff all over again. That's a month and a half of work down the drain. Plus, I lost literally hundreds of master files that I had no backup for. The stuff's already out, so it doesn't really matter, but there's no master files left due to the crash. It's prolly due to a power surge or something. Cheers for the concern, tho. I've d/loaded the 3.0.4 version after the crash. It gives me nothing but trouble, and I don't care to correct them w/ patches and tweaks and creating pilots and renaming files and that. If it doesn't work "out of the box", I lose interest. Version 2.3 did that, and that's why I'm looking for it.

Version 3.0.4 is just as trouble-free as 2.3, and from a modding perspective it's much more accurate, since as Mars said, 2.3 has inconsistencies and balance conflicts with the original FS1 missions.

Perhaps, but at least it worked. At least for me. Whether 3.x works on some unknown person's computer in a remote village in northern Canada, has nothing to do w/ what my rig does. For me, 2.3 works "out of the box", 3.x doesn't. What version I will then choose is hence a no-brainer.

Nevertheless, if you insist on using 2.3, you can still get it from the old website.

Cheers, G5K. I noticed there's a need to sign up for accounts and that on FilePlanet to get the files, I guess. I'm not too keen on such, so I'll just check elsewhere on the 'net for it. Thanks a million, anyways. Keep up the good work.

Cordially,
~Selectah

[Snail]

I like 2.3 because it's got FS2 ships which is good for reconstruction campaigns. But I still use 3.0.4. for my FS1-era campaigns.

[Mars]

If you gave some detail about your trouble you should be able to fix it in realitively short order... unless you use Linux.

[Goober5000]

It seems it might have slipped you by, then. If it didn't, I'm sorry. If I would have zero probs with 3.0.4, I wouldn't be looking for 2.3, now would I? Further, because you had no probs w/ it doesn't mean anything to me.

Many, many people have used 3.0.4 with no problems whatsoever.  The number of people who report problems is far smaller than the total number of people who download the Port using ShivanSpS's install pack or Turey's installer.  So, I'm sorry, but if you're having problems with 3.0.4 then that makes you the exceptional case.

I've d/loaded the 3.0.4 version after the crash. It gives me nothing but trouble, and I don't care to correct them w/ patches and tweaks and creating pilots and renaming files and that. If it doesn't work "out of the box", I lose interest. Version 2.3 did that, and that's why I'm looking for it.

There is no need to apply a patch or a tweak or create a pilot or anything like that.  All that is necessary is to download 3.0.4, select the Port campaign, and you're off.

I noticed there's a need to sign up for accounts and that on FilePlanet to get the files, I guess. I'm not too keen on such, so I'll just check elsewhere on the 'net for it. Thanks a million, anyways. Keep up the good work.

Well, Tolwyn and Starman have been kind enough to mirror it on the WCSaga server along with the other Port files, so here:
http://www.scifi3d.org/downloads/fsport/releases/fsport2_3.zip

I wish you'd be more forthcoming about the problems you've been having.  Several people have offered to help, in regards to both the Port and the SCP, and it seems like you always refuse.  And yet you're very vocal about the difficulties you have.  You strike me as nothing more than a troll, albeit a very eloquent one.

[Selectah]

Hiya,

Many, many people have used 3.0.4 with no problems whatsoever.

I am happy the port works for them.

So, I'm sorry, but if you're having problems with 3.0.4 then that makes you the exceptional case.

Okay.

Well, Tolwyn and Starman have been kind enough to mirror it on the WCSaga server along with the other Port files, so here:

Cheers a bunch.

I wish you'd be more forthcoming about the problems you've been having.

Nah, just ships not showing up and that. And references to .pof models not existing and that. (The misalignment of the 640x480-to-1024x768 main hall animations is probably due to the different initial screen resolutions, I guess.) Not to worry, the 2.3 version works fine. Straight outta the box. Which is kinda strange, since there's nothing really new in the latest port, what with tables and that. (Except, of course, that main hall.)

Several people have offered to help, in regards to both the Port and the SCP, and it seems like you always refuse.

What? No, I'm very serious; what?

And yet you're very vocal about the difficulties you have.

I asked if anyone would know where the 2.3 version of the FSPort might reside.

You strike me as nothing more than a troll, albeit a very eloquent one.

Why thank you. 

Cordially,
~Selectah



Troll (n.): a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.

[CaptJosh]

Ok, ships not appearing HOW? Are they there but you're only seeing bits and pieces of them? Throw us a bone here. What's your directory structure? What command line switches are you using? Which FS2 Open exe? What launcher version? Instead of just *****ing and begging for an old version that is full of bugs, help us help you.

[Selectah]

Hiya CaptJosh,

Retail FS2, no switches, no launcher, no nothing, VP's in FS2 root, deleted all previous pilot data, flushed disk caches, created new pilot data, everything nominal. I do know the drill, due to having done it quite a few times. Ya, ships (mainly Hecates) not appearing. Not appearing, as in "not appearing". I don't know how to explain it any better. "Not appearing" as in "not being there". I deleted the 3.04 files, copied the 2.3 file(s) to the FS2 root, and all is fine. Problem sorted. I haven't really experienced any bugs in 2.3, so it's good enough for me. I extend a heartfelt thank you to all of thee and I am profoundly sorry for all grief I have caused by asking for a file. The pangs of contrition ravage my being, and thusly in sackcloth and ashes I pray thy clemency. Prithee, have mercy, be gentle.

The FSPort team (cheers, G5K and all involved) has always done a brill job, and I am sure the 3.04 version is the best one yet. Since it isn't trouble-free for me, I'll just use 2.3, and that's good enough for me. Plus I'm perfectly happy with retail FS2. Thanks to all. Keep up the good work.

Cordially,
~Selectah

[Goober5000]

Several people have offered to help, in regards to both the Port and the SCP, and it seems like you always refuse.

What? No, I'm very serious; what?

Mostly on the now-defunct GTD Bastion forums, and to a lesser extent here.  You've mentioned how you keep having problems with using the SCP; but when people offer to help, you protest that you're happy with retail and have no desire to upgrade.  Okay, fine, but then why snipe at the SCP?

...since there's nothing really new in the latest port, what with tables and that. (Except, of course, that main hall.)

Have you looked at the 3.0 readme recently?

Updates in 3.0:
--Overhauled the Port to use the FS1 tables, including ships, weapons, sounds, and main halls.
--Added the revised and enhanced FS1 music table (SCP).
--Added the FS1 personas.
--Added the FS1 ranks (SCP) and medals.
--Reconverted the FS1 missions using the import feature in FRED2 Open.
--Restored the FS1 shockwave behavior (SCP).
--Added the following ships:
----GTF Angel (Venom/Woomeister)
----GTT Hunter (Zarathud)
----GTI Polaris Extension (Dark)
----GTI Polaris Pylon (Dark)
----GTSC Faustus (medical) (Dark)
----GTFr Chronos (medical) (Dark)
----TAC 1 (medical) (Dark)
----GTT Elysium (medical) (Dark)
----PVF Ulysses
----PVB Sekhmet
----PVSC Imhotep (Ryx)
----PVI Shah Extension (Dark)
----PVI Shah Pylon (Dark)
----SF Gorgon (Dark)
----SB Nahema
----Vasudan NavBuoy (Dark)
----Terran Probe (Dark)
----Vasudan Probe
----Terran Asteroid Base
----Vasudan Asteroid Base (Dark)

Troll (n.): a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.

It's the "intent of provoking a reaction" part that is salient.  See my previous paragraph re the SCP.

Ya, ships (mainly Hecates) not appearing. Not appearing, as in "not appearing". I don't know how to explain it any better. "Not appearing" as in "not being there".

Well, the 3.0 version of the port marked a change in strategy for us.  There isn't enough room in ships.tbl to keep both the FS1 and FS2 versions of ships.  Certain ones, like the Horus and Demon, changed dramatically balance-wise from FS1 to FS2.  Because of the space and balance problems, the FSPort has decided to go in the direction of a pure FS1-era mod.  To compensate for the loss of the FS2-era ships, we've added several extra third-party FS1-era ships. 

Now what you appear to be doing is creating a mod that uses ships from both the FS1 and FS2 era.  If you want to do this, then you'll be going in a different direction, and I wish you well with your endeavors.

Cordially,
~Goober5000

[CaptJosh]

EDIT: Ok, mistaken about a lot here, but you might try working with the SCP stuff instead of just trying to do barebones retail.

Selectah, first of all, I think current versions of FS Port require the SCP. This means a dicegtory structure of something like C:\Games\freespace2 having retail in it. c:\games\freespace2\mediavps with the SCP stuff in it, and c:\games\freespace2\fsport with the port stuff in it.

Secondly, for command line switches, at minimum you must have the -jpgtga switch, or you won't see parts of lots of the ships and fighters.

Thirdly, you have to have the FSPort mod selected in the launcher

Finally, when you do go into FS Port, you have to go to the campaign selector and select the Great War campaign or it won't work.

[Turey]

EDIT: Ok, mistaken about a lot here, but you might try working with the SCP stuff instead of just trying to do barebones retail.

He doesn't have the computer for it, I don't think.

Selectah, first of all, I think current versions of FS Port require the SCP.

Sorry, wrong.

This means a dicegtory structure of something like C:\Games\freespace2 having retail in it. c:\games\freespace2\mediavps with the SCP stuff in it, and c:\games\freespace2\fsport with the port stuff in it.

Right, but only if you're using the SCP. If you're using retail, the port goes in your root dir.

Secondly, for command line switches, at minimum you must have the -jpgtga switch, or you won't see parts of lots of the ships and fighters.

Thirdly, you have to have the FSPort mod selected in the launcher

He's using retail. These only apply to SCP.

Finally, when you do go into FS Port, you have to go to the campaign selector and select the Great War campaign or it won't work.

Correct.

[CaptJosh]

That must be one sickly computer to not be able to handle the SCP at all. Like I said. I knew some of it was wrong, but I left in the rest as steps for if he wanted to try with SCP.

[Selectah]

That must be one sickly computer to not be able to handle the SCP at all.

Probably. I've tried to install the SCP on two different comps, but it errors out all the time. The SCP is probably nice and that, but I have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. It looks nice and all, but I'm perfectly happy with retail FS2. Further, the SCP is a nice community effort and all that, but it's not my cup of tea. I know the SCP is more stable than retail FS2, but I am quite content with retail. The SCP effort is a very nice OpenSource project, involving extremely talented people from the entire world, but it's just not in my yard. I am utterly sorry for that. I'd like to say that I do respect the FS community for their work, I do. The SCP is surely a very, very fine piece of work.

Like I said. I knew some of it was wrong, but I left in the rest as steps for if he wanted to try with SCP.

I thank thee, CaptJosh, for the concern. As it stands the SCP is not on my agenda, though. Thank you for the kind reply, however. As of now, I've installed version 2.3 of the FSPort (I extend my sincerest gratitude to G5K for the link) and all's well. I wish to extend my gratitude to CaptJosh, Goober5000, Turey, Mars and Snail for taking the time to respond to my queries. Sometimes the need arises and I might turn to you guys for your expert advice. Thank you.

Cordially,
~Selectah