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Offline Black Wolf

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We are one, But we are many
And from all the lands on Earth we come.
We share a Dream
And sing with one voice.
I am
You are
We are Australian.


Happy Australia day to the folks for whom it means something, and bad luck to the rest of you for missing out on life in the greatest nation on Earth.
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Offline Mefustae

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Words cannot express how much I loathe that song. But I digress; happy Australia day to all.

 

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Happy Australia day to the folks for whom it means something, and bad luck to the rest of you for missing out on life in the greatest nation on Earth.


So long as you're not Aborigine.
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Offline Black Wolf

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*shrugs* You've not lived here. You really don't understand the situation with them.
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Offline Mefustae

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*shrugs* You've not lived here. You really don't understand the situation with them.
What's to understand? We nicked their land, stole their children, and continue to do our darnedest to destroy their culture. Pretty straight forward if you ask me.

 

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Sir, please, disparaging the boot is a bootable offense. You've been warned.

 

Offline Windrunner

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Nah, Sweden is one of the best places in the world. We have penguins, polarbears and santa claus lives here ;)(don' tell that to those from Finland, they are very picky about that :nervous:)
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*shrugs* You've not lived here. You really don't understand the situation with them.


I can read. That allows me to garner a reasonable understanding.
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Offline Black Wolf

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Mef:The first two are not in doubt, the third I would deny (the 'continue' part specifically). The fact is that the aboriginals  were taken from the stone age into the industrial age in a matter of years (for some remote outback tribes, contact with white people wasn't made until the 1950s, so in a few cases they went straight from the stone age into the nuclear age. That is what has largely screwed them - immense culture shock on a scale never before experienced on any continent. Yes, government policies in the past have been unkind to them (in some cases, disastrous, most specifically the stolen generation), but what's screwing them now is principally an over reliance on government aid and massive, widespread substance abuse (these are not my opinions btw - these are problems aboriginal elders have recognized and are trying to combat).

Thus, Vypers comment (That aboriginies  don't live in the greatest nation on earth simply because they're aboriginies) isn't true. There are plenty of white dole bludging druggies in Australia, and plenty of hard working, successful aboriginies  (Many of them up here in the top end). All of these people live in the Greatest nation on earth. :D

Vyper - Unfortunately, reading doesn't convey the issues entirely accurately, for a number of reasons, most significantly that the  non standard viewpoint (i.e. not blaming the government for everything that's wrong wih Aboriginal australia) tends not to get printed all that often, nor does reading really give you a sense of what things are like on the ground (Case in point - before I came up north here, my perceptions about Aboriginals were totally different to what they are now - you really do need to see some things.

All that said, I'd rather this just be a happy Australia day thread if that's at all possible. :)
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Nah, Sweden is one of the best places in the world. We have penguins, polarbears and santa claus lives here ;)(don' tell that to those from Finland, they are very picky about that :nervous:)

You can have Santa (St. Nicholaus) along with all that coke as long as we have Joulupukki (aka. Father Christmas)...
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Offline aldo_14

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Vyper - Unfortunately, reading doesn't convey the issues entirely accurately, for a number of reasons, most significantly that the  non standard viewpoint (i.e. not blaming the government for everything that's wrong wih Aboriginal australia) tends not to get printed all that often, nor does reading really give you a sense of what things are like on the ground (Case in point - before I came up north here, my perceptions about Aboriginals were totally different to what they are now - you really do need to see some things.

All that said, I'd rather this just be a happy Australia day thread if that's at all possible. :)


To be fair, aborigines are definately disadvantaged in Australia; 80% of the houses inhabited by 10+ people are aboriginal, the life expectancy is about 20 years shorter for Aborigines (with awful records of trachoma, for example, and increasing incidence of final-stage renal failure; already 20 times higher than the rest of the population), and a government budget that is increasing at a level lower than the non-indigenous budget (education up 9% for indigenous education, when the total education budget has risen 42%).  And, I believe, Howard has consistently cut the budget for things like Aboriginal health programmes, hasn't he?

But the reality is that declaring anywhere to be the 'worlds greatest country' tends to stir up peoples emotions a bit.

 

Offline Fury

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santa claus lives here ;)(don' tell that to those from Finland, they are very picky about that :nervous:)
:wtf:

You can have Santa (St. Nicholaus) along with all that coke as long as we have Joulupukki (aka. Father Christmas)...
Don't forget the second part which is also somewhere in youtube. :)
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Offline Mefustae

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The fact is that the aboriginals  were taken from the stone age into the industrial age in a matter of years (for some remote outback tribes, contact with white people wasn't made until the 1950s, so in a few cases they went straight from the stone age into the nuclear age. That is what has largely screwed them - immense culture shock on a scale never before experienced on any continent. Yes, government policies in the past have been unkind to them (in some cases, disastrous, most specifically the stolen generation), but what's screwing them now is principally an over reliance on government aid and massive, widespread substance abuse (these are not my opinions btw - these are problems aboriginal elders have recognized and are trying to combat).
Holy crap, that's just given me the best idea for a new reality TV-show! We go to deepest-darkest Africa to find a tribe of primitive natives yet to be touched by civilisation, and we lodge them in a fully furnished New York City loft and see how they react and survive in this new environment. Think 'Survivor', but arse-backwards!

I tells ya, people will eat it up!

 

Offline Darius

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Actually, I find the whole situation with Aborigines quite interesting, mainly because there is not just one side to the whole situation. BW's summary of the situation is nice, but incomplete in that it doesn't take into account the utter despair and depression that Aborigines are facing because of their being ripped away of the land which they have a spiritual bond with. It's like displacement, only more keenly felt. It just becomes a vicious cycle that creates the substance abuse and disillusionment. Those who have escaped the cycle are those who have managed to successfully assimilate themselves with the "industrialised" culture: throwing away, in effect, their traditions and culture.

That being said, I'd gladly say that Australia's weather and landscape is indeed the Greatest in the world: governments may come and go, but Australia will still remain a virtual paradise.  ;)

 

Offline IceFire

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Sounds about the same as the native peoples in Canada.  Same or similar set of problems.

Anyways happy Australia day.  I haven't visited there but my parents are good friends with some Australians and they are good people.  Great travelers!
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Offline Janos

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Nah, Sweden is one of the best places in the world. We have penguins, polarbears and santa claus lives here ;)(don' tell that to those from Finland, they are very picky about that :nervous:)

du är bög lol
lol wtf

 

Offline miskat

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What I learned from this thread:

1) Sweden and Finland war over posession of Santa.  Got it.

2) Anywhere that the Europeans colonized, they screwed over the natives.  Got it.  Canada?  Check.  Australia?  Check.  Mexico?  Check.  Africa?  Check.  Pretty sure we can include China here, too.  Oh... and America?  CHECK.

Hmm....

 

Offline Gai Daigoji

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1) Sweden and Finland war over posession of Santa.  Got it.

I lol'ed in real life. :lol:
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Nah, Sweden is one of the best places in the world. We have penguins, polarbears and santa claus lives here ;)(don' tell that to those from Finland, they are very picky about that :nervous:)

du är bög lol

och du är en liten fjolla :P
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You crazies celebrate Christmas in summer.  How can you call yourselves the "greatest country"? :p

Seriously, though, happy Austrailia Day to all you 'roos out there. :)