[MetalDestroyer]

Well, I wonder if there will be any improvement about technical features for SCP ?
Like :
- having a 12 (or more) ships squad instead of 4 (or a non stable 6 ships per squadron) for each side (friend, enemy, neutral, others)
- having no limits to number of objects in Fred2 (for now, Fred2 is limited to 100 objects no more)

I don't have further ideas, but it would be great if we can make those two. I know that Battle of Endor like mission isn't a good idea. But I'm trying to stress test my old computer into its limit and how far I could put objects without using waves (in the case of squadron).

[Turey]

- having a 12 (or more) ships squad instead of 4 (or a non stable 6 ships per squadron) for each side (friend, enemy, neutral, others)

Unlikely. It would require a lot of interface art and HUD art to be redone.

Also, you'd run out of personas. Be kind of odd when half your wing doesn't talk, or Alpha 10 looks just like Alpha 2.

[MetalDestroyer]

Unlikely. It would require a lot of interface art and HUD art to be redone.

Also, you'd run out of personas. Be kind of odd when half your wing doesn't talk, or Alpha 10 looks just like Alpha 2.

Well, the HUD art could be ignored for the time being, I don't really care if all my squad are shown in the HUD for now. Or perhaps, we could remake the squad indicator to be like the X Wing Alliance indicator (by putting name line per line with their hull & shield status).

[karajorma]

The HUD is one thing. Breaking the Loadout Screen is more problematic however.

[RazorsKiss]

So, what all needs to be changed to get this done, and what is affected by these changes that will also need to be modified?

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Well since alpha, beta and gamma are already player loadable wouldn't it just be a matter of allowing beta and gama to be player ships in TvT just like they are in dogfight?  That would give 12 players per side but it would be 3 wings of 4.  Never looked at the code so I don't know what would be involved.  Hasn't coop already been updated to do 12 player?  Could have sworn I saw someone doing this.

While we're on the subject is it possible to have more than 6 ships in a wing with the current FS2_open?  I'm not talking player ships here just AI.  If not that would be a nice addition.

[MetalDestroyer]

While we're on the subject is it possible to have more than 6 ships in a wing with the current FS2_open?  I'm not talking player ships here just AI.  If not that would be a nice addition.

Just reread the first message ^^. I'm guessing for the same thing; well, I forgot to mention for AI ships xD .

[Trivial Psychic]

-Remove requirement for player-ship to have secondary firepoints
-Remove requirement for player-ship to actually have primary weapons
-Remove requirement for player-ship to actually have secondary weapons
-Allow default wings (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) to be 6-ships (as requested above)

[ShivanSpS]

-Hability to Import Ships and events from other mission without eleminating the current ones.
-Hability to import new background from other mission without eleminating the current one.

[karajorma]

Well since alpha, beta and gamma are already player loadable wouldn't it just be a matter of allowing beta and gama to be player ships in TvT just like they are in dogfight?  That would give 12 players per side but it would be 3 wings of 4.  Never looked at the code so I don't know what would be involved.  Hasn't coop already been updated to do 12 player?  Could have sworn I saw someone doing this.

Coop doesn't allow 12 players in retail?

I've never actually built a full working Coop mission for multi as Axem took the BtRL ones and I've noticed that he also has an 8 player limit. Now I'm wondering if that's the limit.

[CP5670]

I'm pretty sure 8 was the limit in retail FS2. None of the missions in the Fredzone packs, including my own, had more than that.

[karajorma]

Yeah but multi had a lot of strange and daft sub rules (No fish no fire etc) which were nothing to real game limitations but were simply due to the community setting it's own limit on what was fun. I guess the best thing to do is to make a 12 player coop and see if it works.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Multi coop and TvT only allowed 8 players.  4 in alpha and 4 in beta or zeta.  you could control the loadout of gamma and maybe delta in coop and one other wing in TvT but they could not be player ships.  Dogfight was the only multi that allowed 12. 

BTW:  Standard TvT rules were No AI AE SD or support.  Translated that is No AI, Area effect (fish(piranahs), fire(infernos), or emp)  Self Destruct or support ships.  Support ships were buggy and all showed up as the team that called the first one.  So ones sides heat seakers would go after the support ships while the other side could use them normally.

[karajorma]

Mantis that last bit and I'll look into it sometime.

I can definitely save a mission with 12 players in FRED2_Open.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

I'll toss it in there as soon as I confirm if it still exists.  Haven't tried a TvT with support ships in FS2_open.

[ShivanSpS]

-Hability to can set diferent waves to gamma win when they are no player intented for multi.
-Can use .tga maps in fred.

[taylor]

-Can use .tga maps in fred.

TGA works fine in FRED.  In fact, any graphics format that works in-game will also work perfectly fine in FRED.  It's the same basic code after all.

[ShivanSpS]

oh you right, i just need to add the -jpgtga in fred command line...

[Trivial Psychic]

That command line has been removed from HEAD builds.  The decision as to whether TGA or JPG formats should be used is now dictated by what filetypes are there, and by the type order precedence.

[ShivanSpS]

I have good one...

The posibility of edit the table values for a single ship in fred, in this way we can have a... no know... a Alpha 1, a Medusa capable of carrying Helios and top speed of 70m/s, and Alpha 2 and 3 using normal medusas...

Editing tables for a ship in fred we can have modified ships (maybe upgrades for current ships in the future) without need to use modular tables and create a mod, also in this way will be 100% Multi compatible.