[Stealth]

so i started working on my MCSE at the beginning of this year in my spare time.  i'm down 2 exams (passed the first with ~780, second with ~880), and so far so good.  third book's starting to get more difficult though :-/  was wondering if anyone else has gone down this road?  I'm trying to get MCSE (and subsequently MCP and MCSA), CCNP (and subsequently CCNA), and MCTS in SQL Server 2005 done by the end of this year

plus is i get between $8 and $10k/year raise for the MCSE

also i've decided (since june of last year) that when i finally GET my MCSE, i'm buying a new car.  a CTS-V.  i've got the money for it, and i'll pay for it cash.  i'll buy it when i take my last exam.

[Mefustae]

Acronym... overload... *head explodes*

[Ashrak]

iv passed CCNP i belive, CCNA next year hopefully will have MCSE/MCSA by the end of this year

[aldo_14]

I have to do CCNA at some point for work (thankfully it's free to take), but I can't say I have much enthusiasm for it.

[neoterran]

so i started working on my MCSE at the beginning of this year in my spare time.  i'm down 2 exams (passed the first with ~780, second with ~880), and so far so good.  third book's starting to get more difficult though :-/  was wondering if anyone else has gone down this road?  I'm trying to get MCSE (and subsequently MCP and MCSA), CCNP (and subsequently CCNA), and MCTS in SQL Server 2005 done by the end of this year

plus is i get between $8 and $10k/year raise for the MCSE

also i've decided (since june of last year) that when i finally GET my MCSE, i'm buying a new car.  a CTS-V.  i've got the money for it, and i'll pay for it cash.  i'll buy it when i take my last exam.

Financial Pyramid Scheme for Microsoft.... hope you're enjoying becoming one of the collective

[Stealth]

here's something you'll learn in life neoterran.  standing up for what "you believe" or what's "right" doesn't get you money.  this is the business world.  we're not kids anymore.  sooner or later we've got to grow up and realize that the world doesn't evolve around freeware and opensource.  whether you like it or not, big-name (such as, you guessed it, Microsoft) conglomerates control the IT world, or a very, very, very large percentage of it.

i'll stick to my salary for now... whether i'm a 'tool' or 'one of the collective' or not.  if that's what pays the bills, buys me my cars, clothes, and entertainment, then i'm more than happy to be one.

if "becoming one of the collective" involves a ~$9,000/year raise, then yeah. i'm loving the hell out of every second of it...

[neoterran]

here's something you'll learn in life neoterran.  standing up for what "you believe" or what's "right" doesn't get you money.  this is the business world.  we're not kids anymore.  sooner or later we've got to grow up and realize that the world doesn't evolve around freeware and opensource.  whether you like it or not, big-name (such as, you guessed it, Microsoft) conglomerates control the IT world, or a very, very, very large percentage of it.

i'll stick to my salary for now... whether i'm a 'tool' or 'one of the collective' or not.  if that's what pays the bills, buys me my cars, clothes, and entertainment, then i'm more than happy to be one.

if "becoming one of the collective" involves a ~$9,000/year raise, then yeah. i'm loving the hell out of every second of it...

Well, i hate to burst your bubble, but I have a job writing code for a company using open source software. Sure, my source doesn't always get back to the commnunity (although sometimes it does  ), but it's better that completely going over to the dark side, especially when that technology (ruby on rails) is better anyway.

buys me my cars, clothes, and entertainment, then i'm more than happy to be one.

compromising good ideals just so you can be more of a conspicuous consumer isn't exactly a virtue. But since you've sold out, it doesn't really make sense for me to bother arguing with you; you already have a totally different set of values that while abhorrent to me, are still your choice.

[aldo_14]

here's something you'll learn in life neoterran.  standing up for what "you believe" or what's "right" doesn't get you money.  this is the business world.  we're not kids anymore.  sooner or later we've got to grow up and realize that the world doesn't evolve around freeware and opensource.  whether you like it or not, big-name (such as, you guessed it, Microsoft) conglomerates control the IT world, or a very, very, very large percentage of it.

i'll stick to my salary for now... whether i'm a 'tool' or 'one of the collective' or not.  if that's what pays the bills, buys me my cars, clothes, and entertainment, then i'm more than happy to be one.

if "becoming one of the collective" involves a ~$9,000/year raise, then yeah. i'm loving the hell out of every second of it...

Me, I tend to feel slightly uncomfortable with the overreaching monopoly of my employer; there's no reason why you have to be a 'wage slave' independent of open thought and criticism of the system that employs you.  But, c'est la vie. 

We do, though, make use of open-source stuff; it's actually a requisite of being financially sensible & independent of competitors.

[Stealth]

compromising good ideals just so you can be more of a conspicuous consumer isn't exactly a virtue. But since you've sold out, it doesn't really make sense for me to bother arguing with you; you already have a totally different set of values that while abhorrent to me, are still your choice.

here's another thing you'll come to realize one day:  there is no such thing as values, 'proper ethics', or morals when it comes to business.  the business world is merciless and heartless.

i keep my ethics and morals to my personal life, and the women i date... not the companies i work for

[Stealth]

We do, though, make use of open-source stuff; it's actually a requisite of being financially sensible & independent of competitors.

yeah we do too, there's nothing wrong with it, but one of my pet peves has always been people that are like "OMFG!! you work for a major non-open-sourc-friendly corporation that ownz teh market! you tool! OMG!!11111"... it's like for crying out loud.  it's not like i'm working for a terrorist organization... i'm working for a company and in an industry (<== KEYWORD) that relies heavily on big-names such as Microsoft (are there any other? lol)

[neoterran]

compromising good ideals just so you can be more of a conspicuous consumer isn't exactly a virtue. But since you've sold out, it doesn't really make sense for me to bother arguing with you; you already have a totally different set of values that while abhorrent to me, are still your choice.

here's another thing you'll come to realize one day:  there is no such thing as values, 'proper ethics', or morals when it comes to business.  the business world is merciless and heartless.

i keep my ethics and morals to my personal life, and the women i date... not the companies i work for

First, you can quit with the condescending.

Let me tell you something. Just because something is so in your life, doesn't mean other people work for crappy heartless corporations as well. Some of us actually have cool jobs with people that care about the people they work with and the world at large. I'm sorry that you don't.

[Flipside]

Be Nice people.

[Stealth]

First, you can quit with the condescending.

Let me tell you something. Just because something is so in your life, doesn't mean other people work for crappy heartless corporations as well. Some of us actually have cool jobs with people that care about the people they work with and the world at large. I'm sorry that you don't.

i'm sorry, if i recall correctly it was you that started with the condescending bull****.  check your first post in my thread...

and i love how you jump to the conclusion that i work for a "crappy heartless corporation".  i work in a department with 3 people; ~75 total in the company.  and hey, whadaya know, our department relies heavily on Microsoft products (i'll bet yours does too...), and gets rewarded for pursuing certifications that advance their knowledge and productivity of the software they work with.

now if you don't have anything nice to say, act your age, and leave this thread.  kthx.

[aldo_14]

We do, though, make use of open-source stuff; it's actually a requisite of being financially sensible & independent of competitors.

yeah we do too, there's nothing wrong with it, but one of my pet peves has always been people that are like "OMFG!! you work for a major non-open-sourc-friendly corporation that ownz teh market! you tool! OMG!!11111"... it's like for crying out loud.  it's not like i'm working for a terrorist organization... i'm working for a company and in an industry (<== KEYWORD) that relies heavily on big-names such as Microsoft (are there any other? lol)

I think anyone within one of said large companies is pretty aware of the bad practices used by them, though.  It leaves me, for example, with rather a bad taste in the mouth to see my employers supporting net-partitioning just because it allows more opportunity to sell TE-equipped routers.  I don't think it's wrong to criticise what is a rather stifling, selfish market even whilst working inside or outside it; to be honest I think you initially overreacted to neoterrans statement, even if he's taken the bait to get annoyed.

(as an aside, I work for a heartless corporation; although I wouldn't say it's crappy, because our office is very, very good at what we do)

[Stealth]

yeah i agree.

but neoterran jumped into this thread, not to contribute, but to criticize.  i blame him.

[neoterran]

I am Stealth of borg. Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated 

[Stealth]

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[Ashrak]

iv allready actually passed
CCNA 1: Networking Basics

hehehehe

[Stealth]

ooooh!  you're doing the high school CCNA course?

[aldo_14]

iv allready actually passed
CCNA 1: Networking Basics

hehehehe

Does that include ICND, or is it the one-before-whose-name-I-forget?  I'm due to take the ICND test at some point, had to postpone it until some other personal stuff gets worked out.  Of course, I have an absolute bastard of a work package looming, so bugger knows if I'll ever get round to it...