[Mefustae]

If you don't know enough to understand that stuff how can you possibly know it's correct? How can you know that they aren't lying to you and saying that they are correct when they are in fact lying through their teeth? Yet again you're back to taking things on faith. You believe that the Christian side has proof because you want to believe that.

You've come on here and said that people are wrong. When they ask you "Why am I wrong?" your only response is to point elsewhere and say "I don't understand why but he told me so." But the problem with that is that when we check why this person actually say we're wrong we find poor logic, errors and outright lies.

Charismatic, you are being lied to. The Christian church does not have proof that evolution is wrong. That's why the Catholic church with 1 billion members finally admitted defeat over 10 years ago and said that Darwin was right. If there was real proof why do you think they would have done that?

That's the overall issue with people like him. He doesn't know he's wrong, because he's completely convinced, to the very core of his being, that he is right. But then, it's not totally his fault:

When he was a child, he was undoubtedly entertained with a thrilling story of a grand Deity that watched over mankind, and that every human being - including him, playing on his ego - was special and part of His grand plan for the Universe. As a child, you really don't have any defense against being told something like that, as you automatically assume what your elders tell you is unequivocally true. Ironically, this evolutionary survival mechanism actually works against the very process that created it.

As he ages and becomes more receptive to logical thought, he is confronted with data that directly contradicts what he was told as a youth. He is exposed to the wondrous discoveries of modern science. Unfortunately, since he has already taken the stories he was told as fact, he simply dismisses this new data as false. In his mind, he has resolved that the stories he was told as a wee lad simply can't be false, and therefore he makes the logical conclusion that this new data must be false.

In time, he will pass on the stories of this grand Deity to his own young, and thus he will continue the vicious cycle that perpetuates religious dogma in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[aldo_14]

If he was reading said huge-o-mognous thread, he should be aware it's wrong, let alone futile. I mean, he did say he was reading the responses, and every attempt to 'fail' evolutionary theory was pretty comprehensively replied to and disproven, usually by several people.

Glad to know I earned a Rep. That perticular one, at that.
I do not believe it's futile, just, that im not the one to be doing it (the pro side). I RESPECT that you guys had a clan and ('proof') a answer for each thing i brought up (nor near, every point that i brought up). Its been a while so dont bash me for being incorrect here.

Just you guys seemed to love to bash books and quots and links and vids over my head, drowndin me in a sea of 'sence ur last reply, you have 20 pages, 100 links and 5 ten minute videos to read and memorize before you can even begin to think of how to reply, and you have 5 minutes to reply unless you want to have another 15 pages added on...etc' and seemed to feel big by doing it. I got the jist that you guys (yeah i spelt gist wrong) did not realize that you were socalled 'disprooving' a meer normal person who did NOT do research to reply (in most cases. I was very buzy at the time with schoolwork and reports..much less, work) and as said did not have the time to in detail. You guys shoulda cut me some slack, and at least, respected the fact that i was teh ONLY (except Zman, and 1-2 others who wishted to 'stay out of it') who realy stood up for my side, as best i could at the time.
But my point: I am not a priest (lol..catholics), minister, or profit or whoever.. some learneded 'i know every page in the bible by heart' person who is a professional and knows the ins and outs of my faith and my beleif. I am not that person. I am a ordinary person with my own beleifs. i am not a professor or priest and of corse i do not know all the defences or proofs that people in those positions know. So i do beleive the Christian side has proof and evidecne, and things to back up what i said , or most of it, (or things to back up with i Tried to say, but was incorrect in some form) but i honestly dont know them right now.

Heh. And my name (SN anyways) is (should be) Ephili.
(i have been tryign to change my nick to Ephili for some time now, by only sighning my paragraphs with Ephili instead of Chara.)

Intelligent discourse is not about 'standing up for your side'.  It is about the weight of supporting and disproving evidence, and addressing the issue.  The criticisms you made were overturned and corrected by a multitude of reputable sources, hence we posted those sources to indicate both the quantity and quality of information that, to be blunt, proved you wrong.

I would point out that many of those replying are not scientists or researchers but simply people with open eyes and open minds; I am simply a computer programmer who likes reading biological 'stuff' and made his own mind up.  I would also point out the dangers of relying upon 'authority' sources; I've seen many times where creationists have placed quotes supporting them that are either a) in some way falsified or b) by people with vested financial interests in promoting creationism.  Again, I (we) post multiple (many) sources to counteract this and show consensus across the scientific community - rather than some paid mouthpiece for the Discovery Institute.

In any case, it is futile because it is too weak and nebulous an argument; it is like fighting the SAS with a potato gun.

[Charismatic]

Heh. And my name (SN anyways) is (should be) Ephili.
(i have been tryign to change my nick to Ephili for some time now, by only sighning my paragraphs with Ephili instead of Chara.)

You know, back when you migrated from the VWBB to here, I told you that in order to seem less like a noob, you really shouldn't keep being schizophrenic and call yourself both Charismatic and Ephili -- you'd have to pick one and stick with it.  You told me you'd pick Charismatic.

I guess you haven't changed.

I remember that conversation. Its probably still in my PM's. I thought I picked Ephili. Lol, my bad.
But I did choose (beit, later on). Lol life is confuzng.

*snip*

But my point: I am not a priest (lol..catholics), minister, or profit or whoever.. some learneded 'i know every page in the bible by heart' person who is a professional and knows the ins and outs of my faith and my beleif. I am not that person. I am a ordinary person with my own beleifs. i am not a professor or priest and of corse i do not know all the defences or proofs that people in those positions know. So i do beleive the Christian side has proof and evidecne, and things to back up what i said , or most of it, (or things to back up with i Tried to say, but was incorrect in some form) but i honestly dont know them right now.

And that's the problem Charismatic.

If you don't know enough to understand that stuff how can you possibly know it's correct? How can you know that they aren't lying to you and saying that they are correct when they are in fact lying through their teeth? Yet again you're back to taking things on faith. You believe that the Christian side has proof because you want to believe that.

You've come on here and said that people are wrong. When they ask you "Why am I wrong?" your only response is to point elsewhere and say "I don't understand why but he told me so." But the problem with that is that when we check why this person actually say we're wrong we find poor logic, errors and outright lies.

Charismatic, you are being lied to. The Christian church does not have proof that evolution is wrong. That's why the Catholic church with 1 billion members finally admitted defeat over 10 years ago and said that Darwin was right. If there was real proof why do you think they would have done that?

I will ask my dad tonight for sure. No i am not going to give you the 'its all on faith'. As said i believe there is proof. But, we can get into that later; as i will ask my dad what he knows, tonight.
But, I will tell you this, and I am sure I said this in the other EVOlution topic. I have not simply relyed on faith all my life. I have seen proof. Proof to me. I have had some experiances, that are a non repeatable experiance. Prayers have been answered in an instant, when there was no forseeable way for it to happen. God has gotten me out of some situations that i thought were impossible to get out of, expecially on such short notice. God has proven himself over and over to me. God does that to some people. He proves himelf to each in his own way. The way He proved himself to me, wont cut it for someone else, and vise versa.

One perticular experiance was this. And this is of a personal experiance, so please watch how you say what u say in your replys to this.

I was at a meething with a Prophet. There was like 50 or less of us there. He taught what he came to teach like normal, but then he got the impression (God, IIRC) to do something different. He got a ShoFar, and poured oil into it; and he anointed people as they came up. And comeing up was vollentary. He would pray for them as he anointed them (poured the oil into the shofar, and let it come out the other end onto their head's) and for some, God would speak through the prophet, and proficy over the one being annointed. I went up. He prayed, proficyed over me, and annointed me. Now, after he annointed me, and the pouring of the oil stopped, i still felt it spilling over my head (in no small ammount). And i was instructed to walk to the side, because my 'turn' so to speak, was over. God said what he needed to say to me. As I walked away i still felt it pouring onto my head, and he said it was God who was annointing me, and thats why i could feel it. I felt the presure of hte oil hitting my head, in a continueous flow so to speak. As i walked i walked carefull, and slow, so i would not 'loose' the flow, i walked as so it would still hit my head as i moved. if that makes sence.
Example. A dish is on ur head. U ballance and walk slowly. You know if you run, it will fall and it wont be on ur head anymore.

And it stopped eventually but thats not the point.

As other proof, something happened that day between me and my friend, when i was at home alone earlier that day. No parents home. No one could have known. In the proficy, he mentioned what happened that day between me and my friend. God saw waht happened and spoke through the Prophet to me, to proove the words that were being spoken in the Porficy were from God, and not just from any preacher.

I still have that proficy typed up. It was my first.

[KappaWing]

I was at a meething with a Prophet. There was like 50 or less of us there. He taught what he came to teach like normal, but then he got the impression (God, IIRC) to do something different. He got a ShoFar, and poured oil into it; and he anointed people as they came up. And comeing up was vollentary. He would pray for them as he anointed them (poured the oil into the shofar, and let it come out the other end onto their head's) and for some, God would speak through the prophet, and proficy over the one being annointed. I went up. He prayed, proficyed over me, and annointed me. Now, after he annointed me, and the pouring of the oil stopped, i still felt it spilling over my head (in no small ammount). And i was instructed to walk to the side, because my 'turn' so to speak, was over. God said what he needed to say to me. As I walked away i still felt it pouring onto my head, and he said it was God who was annointing me, and thats why i could feel it. I felt the presure of hte oil hitting my head, in a continueous flow so to speak. As i walked i walked carefull, and slow, so i would not 'loose' the flow, i walked as so it would still hit my head as i moved. if that makes sence.
Example. A dish is on ur head. U ballance and walk slowly. You know if you run, it will fall and it wont be on ur head anymore.

Similar thing happens to me when I'm wearing safety goggles for awhile (similar constant-pressure-applied-to head-situation.) As soon as I take them off, it still feels like theyre on for a few more minutes.

[MP-Ryan]

Chara, evolution doesn't presuppose that God does not exist.  I'm a molecular biologist - and I don't believe in a Christian conception of God, but I certainly do believe in a higher power.

This is why the evolution/creation debate is so asinine - it isn't a debate.  Evolution is a theory (which by scientific definition can never be proven, much like gravity, molecular motion, thermodynamics, all of which our modern life is based upon) which explains observable phenomena - namely that life changes over time.  This isn't contestable - it's widely documented, and we can easily see it.

But the idea that life changes and evolves over time does not negate Faith, nor does the idea that all life on Earth has ultimately come from simpler forms of life mean that modern species should be "devalued" in any way - in fact, that very notion is a conception which emerged from Christian scholars in an attempt to ridicule the proposition of natural selection.

This is what people need to get their heads around:  evolution/creation is NOT a dichotomy.  It's not one or the other.  It can be both.  The Bible has plenty of contradictory elements throughout it - that doesn't mean its lessons are any less valuable.  It simply means that it is a compilation of men in an effort to understand their Faith in God.  Genesis is a fantastic metaphor for how life began, and for recognizing that cognition endows men with a responsibility (which is what the idea of original sin is all about).

I'm not a Christian, and I have plenty of problems with the Christian church.  BUT, acceptance of evolutionary theory doesn't mean you can't have Faith - it simply means that someone is not so foolhardy as to believe in the absolute supremity of a document assembled by men over thousands of years.

And I'll save you some time - there is no 'evidence' which supports Creationism.  There IS evidence that evolutionary theory has difficulty explaining.  This doesn't mean the theory is wrong, it simply means the theory needs revision.  There are occurences which contradict the theory of gravity too - does that mean that it doesn't exist?  Of course not.

The only people who debate the validity of evolutionary theory are people who do not understand what it actually says or means.

[Ace]

Charismatic, you are being lied to. The Christian church does not have proof that evolution is wrong. That's why the Catholic church with 1 billion members finally admitted defeat over 10 years ago and said that Darwin was right. If there was real proof why do you think they would have done that?

Well to be honest that was at the same time that they finally admitted that Galileo was right. Last time I checked I don't see televangelists screaming that there aren't any craters on the moon or moons of Jupiter... Though their proud cathedral equivalents did for quite some time

Also... am I the only one who sees a problem with having 'prophets' when the entire theological basis of protestantism is reading the bible for yourself and having your own interpretations? What the frak is going on?

[karajorma]

But, I will tell you this, and I am sure I said this in the other EVOlution topic. I have not simply relyed on faith all my life. I have seen proof. Proof to me. I have had some experiances, that are a non repeatable experiance. Prayers have been answered in an instant, when there was no forseeable way for it to happen. God has gotten me out of some situations that i thought were impossible to get out of, expecially on such short notice. God has proven himself over and over to me. God does that to some people. He proves himelf to each in his own way. The way He proved himself to me, wont cut it for someone else, and vise versa.

One perticular experiance was this. And this is of a personal experiance, so please watch how you say what u say in your replys to this.

I was at a meething with a Prophet. There was like 50 or less of us there. He taught what he came to teach like normal, but then he got the impression (God, IIRC) to do something different. He got a ShoFar, and poured oil into it; and he anointed people as they came up. And comeing up was vollentary. He would pray for them as he anointed them (poured the oil into the shofar, and let it come out the other end onto their head's) and for some, God would speak through the prophet, and proficy over the one being annointed. I went up. He prayed, proficyed over me, and annointed me. Now, after he annointed me, and the pouring of the oil stopped, i still felt it spilling over my head (in no small ammount). And i was instructed to walk to the side, because my 'turn' so to speak, was over. God said what he needed to say to me. As I walked away i still felt it pouring onto my head, and he said it was God who was annointing me, and thats why i could feel it. I felt the presure of hte oil hitting my head, in a continueous flow so to speak. As i walked i walked carefull, and slow, so i would not 'loose' the flow, i walked as so it would still hit my head as i moved. if that makes sence.
Example. A dish is on ur head. U ballance and walk slowly. You know if you run, it will fall and it wont be on ur head anymore.

And it stopped eventually but thats not the point.

As other proof, something happened that day between me and my friend, when i was at home alone earlier that day. No parents home. No one could have known. In the proficy, he mentioned what happened that day between me and my friend. God saw waht happened and spoke through the Prophet to me, to proove the words that were being spoken in the Porficy were from God, and not just from any preacher.

I still have that proficy typed up. It was my first.

Do you even realise that not a single word you have typed in this entire section is relevant to whether or not evolution is true?

The matter under discussion is not whether or not God exists. You hear people say that evolution is true and automatically assume that they are saying that God isn't. This is not the case. There are many protestant and catholic biologists who completely believe in God and yet still understand that creationism is complete bunkum.

So even if I believed you were correct about every single thing you've just typed it wouldn't matter one iota as to whether or not evolution is true. That's why I brought up the point of the Pope saying that evolution is true. Are you going to claim the Pope doesn't believe in God now?

[aldo_14]

I will ask my dad tonight for sure. No i am not going to give you the 'its all on faith'. As said i believe there is proof. But, we can get into that later; as i will ask my dad what he knows, tonight.
But, I will tell you this, and I am sure I said this in the other EVOlution topic. I have not simply relyed on faith all my life. I have seen proof. Proof to me. I have had some experiances, that are a non repeatable experiance. Prayers have been answered in an instant, when there was no forseeable way for it to happen. God has gotten me out of some situations that i thought were impossible to get out of, expecially on such short notice. God has proven himself over and over to me. God does that to some people. He proves himelf to each in his own way. The way He proved himself to me, wont cut it for someone else, and vise versa.

One perticular experiance was this. And this is of a personal experiance, so please watch how you say what u say in your replys to this.

I was at a meething with a Prophet. There was like 50 or less of us there. He taught what he came to teach like normal, but then he got the impression (God, IIRC) to do something different. He got a ShoFar, and poured oil into it; and he anointed people as they came up. And comeing up was vollentary. He would pray for them as he anointed them (poured the oil into the shofar, and let it come out the other end onto their head's) and for some, God would speak through the prophet, and proficy over the one being annointed. I went up. He prayed, proficyed over me, and annointed me. Now, after he annointed me, and the pouring of the oil stopped, i still felt it spilling over my head (in no small ammount). And i was instructed to walk to the side, because my 'turn' so to speak, was over. God said what he needed to say to me. As I walked away i still felt it pouring onto my head, and he said it was God who was annointing me, and thats why i could feel it. I felt the presure of hte oil hitting my head, in a continueous flow so to speak. As i walked i walked carefull, and slow, so i would not 'loose' the flow, i walked as so it would still hit my head as i moved. if that makes sence.
Example. A dish is on ur head. U ballance and walk slowly. You know if you run, it will fall and it wont be on ur head anymore.

And it stopped eventually but thats not the point.

As other proof, something happened that day between me and my friend, when i was at home alone earlier that day. No parents home. No one could have known. In the proficy, he mentioned what happened that day between me and my friend. God saw waht happened and spoke through the Prophet to me, to proove the words that were being spoken in the Porficy were from God, and not just from any preacher.

I still have that proficy typed up. It was my first.

This doesn't relate to the scientific - or even rational, logical and common sense - relevance of evolutionary theory.  It relates to your opinion of a human being who tells you things.

Your experiences - neither of which to me sound anything like proof to anyone beyond someone already looking to believe (suggestion is very powerful - I'd suggest looking up someone called Darren Brown, who managed to convince a number of groups that he has what might be termed supernatural insight through simple psychological tricks - and remember you volunteered to have oil poured on yer noggin, so you were displaying openness to suggestion) - don't relate to this issue, unless you only ever listen to one person.  And if you do, then that person - not a supernatural diety with omnipotence and omniscence - has become your God.  Because if you believe God made us what we are, he wouldn't give us a brain and not want us to use it.  If God made humankind special, then surely that specialness lies in the curiousity, the reasoning, the imagination and thought that we possess above all other animals?

[karajorma]

Discussing the existence or non-existence of God is the last refuge of the Creationist in trouble. By drawing the other side into a philosophical argument over the existence and motives of God they can avoid having to face up to the fact that there is no actual proof for Creationism and argue on grounds they feel more comfortable on than sheer, unrelenting scientific fact.

It's a huge mistake to allow yourself to be drawn in on such matters as there is always wiggle room when it comes to this kind of argument. Far better to stick to the scientific facts and prove that creationism is full of **** by showing the scientific proof of why it is wrong than getting into an argument that can't ever be won.

[Charismatic]

This is perfectly revelant. And no, Kara, i am not a creationist in troulbe. I am just fine.

Let me explain this to you guys, because you dont get it.

Someone stated that i beleive the lies the christians tell me, without any proof or second thought.
So, i explained clearly, that my beleif in God and other christian beleifs, and beleifs agiesnt evolution etc, had more basis, more ground then just 'he told me that'. I told you guys a personal experiance, one of many, that prooved to me that God is real and that the christian faith is not bull****.
So it is revelant.

I am not trying to proove the existance of god so to speak, i was in the case of, showing and defending why i beleive in god and creationist beleifs. Cauze God has prooved himself to me.

And also

[I*Snip*]
This doesn't relate to the scientific - or even rational, logical and common sense - relevance of evolutionary theory.  It relates to your opinion of a human being who tells you things.

Your experiences - neither of which to me sound anything like proof to anyone beyond someone already looking to believe (suggestion is very powerful - I'd suggest looking up someone called Darren Brown, who managed to convince a number of groups that he has what might be termed supernatural insight through simple psychological tricks - and remember you volunteered to have oil poured on yer noggin, so you were displaying openness to suggestion) - don't relate to this issue, unless you only ever listen to one person.  And if you do, then that person - not a supernatural diety with omnipotence and omniscence - has become your God.  Because if you believe God made us what we are, he wouldn't give us a brain and not want us to use it.  If God made humankind special, then surely that specialness lies in the curiousity, the reasoning, the imagination and thought that we possess above all other animals?

Please look at how i worded things, and explained it. How and the hell can he get it right, what happened earlier that day, one and a million things, out of me just walking up there. I said nothing, did nothing else that screamed the word 'fight with friend'. Hell my dad did not even know. I know about that guy and what he dose. But this is oviusly different.

Meh, my point. It was not a man saying **** to me. It was God. God can 'use' people so to speak. He can speak through people, or circumstances. So for my case, it was not a man speaking to me, it was God.

And yes i did use the word Prophet. Look it up.

[KappaWing]

Char, what do you think when you see a talented magician? Do you automatically assume he has some divine connection simply because the scientifically explainable logic of the situation is simply hidden behind a clever trick?

[karajorma]

Let me explain this to you guys, because you dont get it.

Someone stated that i beleive the lies the christians tell me, without any proof or second thought.
So, i explained clearly, that my beleif in God and other christian beleifs, and beleifs agiesnt evolution etc, had more basis, more ground then just 'he told me that'. I told you guys a personal experiance, one of many, that prooved to me that God is real and that the christian faith is not bull****.
So it is revelant.

No it isn't. No one questioned if God was real. No one said Christianity was bull****. You heard those words in your head the second someone starts saying that creationism is bull****. So stating your reasons why you think he is real was an enormous waste of time. Unless God personally  told you that evolution was false your belief that it is wrong is still based on some human telling you that it's wrong.

You can repeat your refrain that since God exists it must therefore mean that evolution must be wrong all you like but it's simply not true unless you're claiming direct divine inspiration for your belief against evolution rather than simply for your belief in God.

[aldo_14]

Please look at how i worded things, and explained it. How and the hell can he get it right, what happened earlier that day, one and a million things, out of me just walking up there. I said nothing, did nothing else that screamed the word 'fight with friend'. Hell my dad did not even know. I know about that guy and what he dose. But this is oviusly different.

Meh, my point. It was not a man saying **** to me. It was God. God can 'use' people so to speak. He can speak through people, or circumstances. So for my case, it was not a man speaking to me, it was God.

And yes i did use the word Prophet. Look it up.

People can get it right very easily, it's a simple matter of reading subconscious psychological cues and signals.  In some cases this is a trained ability, in others it's intuitive.  It does not equate to foresight or omniscence.

What, tell me, did he say?  How exact is it?

My point is simple; throughout history people have claimed to speak on behalf of God, or Gods - be it from the oracle at Delphi to David Koresh.  In many cases they are extremely charistmatic and use subtle persuasive techniques that, to those already wishing and willing to believe in them, appear supernatural.

It's quite late, so unfortunately I don't have the time to watch and double check, but I suggest you view this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKhN1Jfv_s8

I believe there is an inherent danger, whether you are religious or not, in assuming supernatural or divine powers without understanding how they can be faked.

(oh, and if someone is feeding you a position or opinion they claim to be absolute and from God, then they're always serving their own agenda)

[Charismatic]

No, some are serving their own agenda. Not all. Trusting prophets is a risk in some cases, as some are not trustworthy and some are.
I personally do not accept that youtube vid, i claim it as bs. Yeah u guessed my reaction. But meh, its my first impression.

And yes i know and beleive that some, or most, televangelists are BS. I tend to like watching them cauze i look for all the BS they say. Sometimes they speak truth, sometimes, not so. I know some ppl are bull and are traiend to read ppl.

[MP-Ryan]

Gents, gents...

As Karajorma has already pointed out, devaluing or arguing religious beliefs is going to go precisely nowhere.  You can't argue Faith - at least, not productively.  And Charismatic is entitled to his beliefs.  He's welcome to interpret whatever he wishes into a situation.

This tangent was more about scientific fact, which by nature can't be contradicted by something like Faith (empiricism vs rationalism, anyone? ).  The goal here is to educate Charismatic and whomever else as to what evolution is and what it means, so that he can understand that accepting a highly relevant and legitimate theory does not call for the rejection of Faith.

This is something that really annoys me.  There IS NO evolution/creation debate.  It's not a debate.  Evolution is a solid theory.  Creationism is a Faith-based interpretation of the world.  The two can be compatible.  Understanding in science does not reject belief in Faith.  Unfortunately, the Church made it a dichotomous debate in the late 1800s.  While most serious scientists have now escaped this mode of debate (and also most theologians), it has left remnants of the population who do not truly understand evolution or their Faith who are insistent on their belief that it must be one or the other.  This is precisely what led to all that nonsense in schools in the southern US.  It's not people who are educated on the subject with the problem - it's people who read a few radical statements and catch a few buzzwords, then think they're experts.

Arguing against Creationism by arguing against Faith is a ridiculous course of action.  Rather, provide the evidence for evolution, and address its problems in order to convey understanding.

Again, anyone who completely disregards evolutionary theory does not truly understand it.

Here's a checklist:
1.  Do you believe in cancer? (as an example of mutation)
2.  Do you belief that offspring are not identical to their parents?
3.  Do you believe that some traits are good in an organism, and some can be bad (example:  For people, is it good for your survival to have a defective immune system, or is it bad?)
4.  Do you believe that heredity and biological makeup is encoded on a genetic basis in DNA?

If you answered yes to all of the above, congratulations, you believe in evolution by natural selection.  It really can be just that simple.

[Bobboau]

I seem to have some vague recollection about how there weren't supposed to be any more prophets after Jesus, but I'm hardly a religious scholar, so someone look that up for me.

[Dark Hunter]

This is something that really annoys me.  There IS NO evolution/creation debate.  It's not a debate.  Evolution is a solid theory.  Creationism is a Faith-based interpretation of the world.  The two can be compatible.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement... and I'm also a firm believer in the Christian faith.
Evolution (or more specifically, the basic theory therein) is not contradictory to faith. Some of the finer points of the evolutionist attitude I may not agree with (such as humans supposedly evolving from apes), but the basic theory is perfectly compatible.

[Goober5000]

I seem to have some vague recollection about how there weren't supposed to be any more prophets after Jesus, but I'm hardly a religious scholar, so someone look that up for me.

1 Corinthians 14:5
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

[Bobboau]

ah, alright never mind then.

[Taristin]

I dont trust translations. Im taking a course on (sections of) the bible now, and learning a lot about much of it. King James edition, for example, is using language 400 years olf, that no longer makes sense anyways.