[Ghostavo]

Most majior denominations? Ok, where is your source of info, where is your proof.

Example:

http://www.google.pt/search?hl=en&q=vatican+evolution&btnG=Search

[aldo_14]

Most majior denominations? Ok, where is your source of info, where is your proof.

And for the record, i believe earth is 5-10,000 years old, and was made in 6 days. The world is more of a rectangular shape.

And also, to show i did what i said id do, i asked my dad about this. He said he did not really study up on this (yet) and cannot tell me anything offhand, as proof etc. He mentioned several things, a few of them were faith, and god proves himself to each one, his own way. He mentioned other things as well.

Your dad?  Your dad?!  Why don't you try, y'know, looking to learned sources?  I mean, ones who have done rational, repeatable experiments on these things?

(the 6-10,000 year old thing is a joke, right?  I mean, you don't actually believe that, do you?  Because it's very easy to disprove)

[Bobboau]

I can believe that, I've argued with enough people to know it's a sadly common beleife, it's the flat earth one I'm really stumped on.

[aldo_14]

I can believe that, I've argued with enough people to know it's a sadly common beleife, it's the flat earth one I'm really stumped on.

How the **** can anyone in a 21st century, 1st world nation possibly believe the earth is 5000 years old?

[Bobboau]

well you see... God did it.

[aldo_14]

well you see... God did it.

What, God made people stupid?

[Bobboau]

they are the chosen ones...




apparently...

[karajorma]

What, God made people stupid?

Well they start asking questions if you don't.

[Charismatic]

I can believe that, I've argued with enough people to know it's a sadly common beleife, it's the flat earth one I'm really stumped on.

How the **** can anyone in a 21st century, 1st world nation possibly believe the earth is 5000 years old?

I can easily.

Most majior denominations? Ok, where is your source of info, where is your proof.

And for the record, i believe earth is 5-10,000 years old, and was made in 6 days. The world is more of a rectangular shape.

And also, to show i did what i said id do, i asked my dad about this. He said he did not really study up on this (yet) and cannot tell me anything offhand, as proof etc. He mentioned several things, a few of them were faith, and god proves himself to each one, his own way. He mentioned other things as well.

Your dad?  Your dad?!  Why don't you try, y'know, looking to learned sources?  I mean, ones who have done rational, repeatable experiments on these things?

(the 6-10,000 year old thing is a joke, right?  I mean, you don't actually believe that, do you?  Because it's very easy to disprove)

Not a joke. I believe it.

well you see... God did it.

Yes.

Most majior denominations? Ok, where is your source of info, where is your proof.

Example:

http://www.google.pt/search?hl=en&q=vatican+evolution&btnG=Search

Every link, sides the first one, does not seem like any concrete proof. You'r using google as concrete infalliable proof?

"i believe earth is 5-10,000 years old, and was made in 6 days. The world is more of a rectangular shape."

ok, the sad thing is I actually am not sure where if anywhere in that statement you were joking. the last bit seems like it should be an obvius joke, but it's not too far off from the first bit which I know many people do belive, and seem in line with what you've said. so, all seriusness, do you beleive the earth

is anything but roughly shpereical in shape?

Earth is a sphere. The Earth is 6-10k years old. No joke.

[Ghostavo]

Most majior denominations? Ok, where is your source of info, where is your proof.

Example:

http://www.google.pt/search?hl=en&q=vatican+evolution&btnG=Search

Every link, sides the first one, does not seem like any concrete proof. You'r using google as concrete infalliable proof?

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html

Happy now? What are you going to answer now? The website of the Vatican doesn't offer concrete proof of the Vatican's opinion on the matter?

[fsi.scsi]

My God.

At the point that partisans of both ideologies resort to blind affirmations of their creeds and sheeplike adherence to their leaders, debate becomes moot.

This thread, if nothing else, serves to expose just how dogmatic and closed-minded people are.  The last few posts have been nothing but clashless repeating of talking-points - not to say that there hasn't been any original thought put into this argument, just that there hasn't been enough.

-my 2 cents

[aldo_14]

How the **** can anyone in a 21st century, 1st world nation possibly believe the earth is 5000 years old?

I can easily.

Your dad?  Your dad?!  Why don't you try, y'know, looking to learned sources?  I mean, ones who have done rational, repeatable experiments on these things?

(the 6-10,000 year old thing is a joke, right?  I mean, you don't actually believe that, do you?  Because it's very easy to disprove)

Not a joke. I believe it.

How can you possible believe something so comprehensively and easily disprovable?  It's like believing the sky is light khaki or the grass is purple.

[fsi.scsi]

It's like believing the sky is mauve or the grass is purple.

Poor examples.  Color is perception-based - it's a psychophysical phenomenon.  The color I term "mauve" may appear blue to you, because my brain may interpret light of wavelength 485 nm as "mauve". 

A better example may be Newton's Laws, or magnetism, etc.  But as I stated in my earlier post, when you have statements like

I can easily [believe that the earth is 5000 years old]

this thread transforms into a gigantic pissing contest, involving everyone from Darwin to the Pope.  And nobody wants to see the Pope's wanker.

[Ghostavo]

It's like believing the sky is mauve or the grass is purple.

Poor examples.  Color is perception-based - it's a psychophysical phenomenon.  The color I term "mauve" may appear blue to you, because my brain may interpret light of wavelength 485 nm as "mauve".

But their names will be the same. The sky will always be blue to everyone even if they perceive the color diferently.

[Bobboau]

ok, I'll get this going.

Char why do you think the earth is 5-10k years old?

are you aware of the numerous radiometric dating methods which both collaborate each other's results and point at an earth in the billions of years old, and fall in line with numerus other dateing methods as well?

[Ford Prefect]

You're aware this isn't going to be a debate, right? It's going to be you making sense and him saying something that doesn't have anything to do with what you said.

[Bobboau]

yes

[aldo_14]

It's like believing the sky is mauve or the grass is purple.

Poor examples.  Color is perception-based - it's a psychophysical phenomenon.  The color I term "mauve" may appear blue to you, because my brain may interpret light of wavelength 485 nm as "mauve". 

your (or my) might interpret the wavelength differently, but it nonetheless stands that you can literally define and measure colours in, for example, RGB values and this measurement is automatable.  That's is why they call it colour blindness.

[Blaise Russel]

And nobody wants to see the Pope's wanker.

A wanker is an unpleasant person, not a slang term for penis.

If you don't believe me, I can ask my dad for proof.

[aldo_14]

And nobody wants to see the Pope's wanker.

A wanker is an unpleasant person, not a slang term for penis.

If you don't believe me, I can ask my dad for proof.

Technically, a wanker is someone who engages in the activity of choking the chicken or, indeed, stroking the swan.