[KappaWing]

I completely agree with fsi.scsi, but I don't think that you're really suicidal, you seem rational enough not to try that.

I agree i'm not suicidal. Circumstances have forced me into that "domain" though. Something has definatley snapped.

fsi.scsi, jr2, and others, thank you for the support. i have been talking to people who have given me many perspectives.... and it helps. it does not do anything to resolve the specific situation that got me here, however. I am willing to give myself time because there is a small but somewhat substantial chance that things will improve.

[fsi.scsi]

Good God, this is something new in HLP annals.

But seriously KappaWing man, take care.  Find something that gives you some release, or happiness, or whatever, and indulge for a while.  Things will improve, for sure.

[NGTM-1R]

painful? your brain is splattered before it can feel anything, correct?

Nervous impulses move at the speed of light or close to it, which is considerably faster then your falling body will move as it impacts whatever is below, and you will feel something. You will also feel something if you shoot yourself in the head. Not for very long, granted, but it's still there.

[jr2]

Good God, this is something new in HLP annals.

But seriously KappaWing man, take care.  Find something that gives you some release, or happiness, or whatever, and indulge for a while.  Things will improve, for sure.

Yes, all the best, KappaWing.

[Herra Tohtori]

Nervous impulses move at the speed of light or close to it, which is considerably faster then your falling body will move as it impacts whatever is below, and you will feel something. You will also feel something if you shoot yourself in the head. Not for very long, granted, but it's still there.

Nervous impulse is not an electric impulse. It's an electhrochemical impulse. Ions move significantly slower than individual electrons in a conduit. The speed of nervous impulse varies somewhat, depending about conditions and nerves in question. Some sources cite the speed for muscle control signals to be about 120 m/s, touch sensor signal at about 70-80 m/s and pain (surprisingly) less than one metre per second. The maximum speed seems to hang at around that 120 m/s, though. Not that it matters anyway considering this thread, but I am obsessive-compulsive fact-correcter, sorry about that...

Then the serious stuff... @this thread. Creeps me.

Take care KappaWing. Don't kill yourself. It's redundant anyway. You'll have that dying part most definitely at some point of your life, so why bother speed up the task that the universe will eventually handle by itself. And while it's doing it's job, why won't get as much out of life as you get.

If everything else fails - remember the Python Quote #1 (and the song associated to it): "You start with nothing, you end up with nothing. Watcha lost? Nothing!"

You can't end up with negative score, whatever you do. That's the best part of the life as far as I'm concerned.

[Ashrak]

if you defenstrate yourself god will kill 10 000 kittens!

[Scuddie]

I agree i'm not suicidal. Circumstances have forced me into that "domain" though. Something has definatley snapped.

fsi.scsi, jr2, and others, thank you for the support. i have been talking to people who have given me many perspectives.... and it helps. it does not do anything to resolve the specific situation that got me here, however. I am willing to give myself time because there is a small but somewhat substantial chance that things will improve.

Is this one of those "I'm worth more dead than alive" scenarios?  If so, you might want to change your viewpoint.  A person's life is always (well, mostly anyway) more valuable than monetary status.  Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool and a coward.

[Tyrian]

It's good that you have found someone to talk to.  Keep talking to them.  It can only help.  Just whatever you do, don't quit.  I've been in some tough times myself, where things really seemed impossible.  What kept me going, and eventually improved my circumstances, was having someone to talk to.  It can make you feel better and even lead to a solution to your problems.  It did in my case. 

The other people on this board are right, every life has value.  And there are still people who care about you.

[Nuclear1]

EDIT: This probably wasn't necessary.

[Hippo]

headfirst into pavement, you're looking at about 40 feet. 20 would likely cause you to break your neck, perhaps not fatally. Problem being that a body will never fall directly straight down without changing orientation, so you may want to think about something on the order of 1-200 feet, to just go with the utter pulverization of stuff-ness...

[Tamlin]

Oh hell maybe I shouldn't have answered but.. Dude, what ever it is. Things will and do get better.Nothing is worth that,keep talking to the people or person you are.


Scuddie don't worry about my sauces.... It's the  sausages that i make that you should try

[Bob-san]

Don't give up your life; there is always something you can do. God (or whatever you believe in) will take you when it is your time. If God wants you dead in 10 seconds... trust me... you'll be dead in 10 seconds!


Good luck and Godspeed.

[Agent_Koopa]

Find something that gives you some release,

Might want to change that wording there.

Also, best of luck KappaWing with whatever it is you're going through.

[Mars]

A girl I know fell forty feet and broke her back, and will be in a wheel chair for the rest of her life, please, if you decide to kill yourself, don't do it this way.

Life can be ****ty, there's no doubt about that, people hurt, people die, people kill each other, people hurt each other, and you and everyone you love will eventually die. Some days it doesn't seem like it's worth going on... but if you look hard enough, there are things and people that make it worth it to get up in the morning. Even if life doesn't get better, even if you spend it in pain, there's always something or someone worth living for, and even if that leaves, the exchange made both you and the object of your attention better in some way, and there's probably something else around the corner. Don't give up on life, demand all you can out of it while you still have it.

[Shade]

Or better yet, just not do it. There's always a chance for things to get better, no matter how bad it seems - Except if you're dead. Indeed, if it's bad enough to contemplate suicide, I can pretty much guarantee that it will get better in time, as it sure as hell won't get worse.

So the best solution is to give it time, and if possible talk to someone about it, and while things may suck for a while they will not continue to do so indefinitely. Some may think of suicide as the last option, but in my opinion, it's simply no option at all: There's always a better way. Assuming that like the majority of the members here you're not all that old, you've got, what, at least 40 years ahead of you, and even if this one sucks that doesn't mean the next 39 might not turn out great even if that seem remote at this time.

Get through this, and in a few years you'll be probably happy you didn't take the "easy" way out. Best of luck, and keep fighting instead of giving up

[Edit] On the topic of finding someone to talk to: (800) 231-1127 is the number for a free 24hr crisis hotline in Michigan, which seems to be your location based on your profile. Might be worth a look, if nothing else to get a professional opinion instead of us freaks.

[KappaWing]

No, you guys are great. I've done some things to probe into the situation and my chances of things turning out ok have drastically increased... to about 2%

Although still, the increase has left me feeling a little better and out of the domain for now, but it could sink again very easily.

I know i probably have quite a bit of life ahead of me. I'm 15. But when youre thinking like I did this morning, you lose sight of all rational things like that.

[Goober5000]

Try this.  Don't think about yourself, or any problems you might be facing.  Think about other people.  Close people, like friends and family.  Think about how much you enjoy their company and how much they enjoy yours.

Just find some people to help cheer you up. Also, from a moral imperative point-of-view, think how much of a hole you'd leave in other people's lives if you weren't there.  You have a moral imperative not to make that hole.

[Unknown Target]

Plus, look at this. If you had doubt that people would be there for you, you have practically an entire forum of people worried about you now.
You have people you can count on, if that helps any.

[Fragrag]

I'm way too late, but whatever, I'm glad you're starting to come to your senses. A kid commited suicide last week at a neighbouring school, I didn't know him but my friends did, and they were really upset, heck, I didn't even know him, but I felt a pang when I saw his picture, he looked so happy...

[KappaWing]

Try this.  Don't think about yourself, or any problems you might be facing.  Think about other people.  Close people, like friends and family.  Think about how much you enjoy their company and how much they enjoy yours.

Just find some people to help cheer you up. Also, from a moral imperative point-of-view, think how much of a hole you'd leave in other people's lives if you weren't there.  You have a moral imperative not to make that hole.

Yeah, due to some recent developments to improve my situation, I'm at the point where I can start thinking about that again and i'm not obsessivley focused. I think the worst is over though. Good points UT and Fragrag. Thank you all for your support. I will keep you posted.