[G0atmaster]

Just to give some backround, this is not the first time I felt this way. During the summer after 8th grade I was in an intense, prologed depression (had to be over 4 months)...

I've made it something of a personal mission to try to make Jr High more survivable for people, I just don't know how to do it yet.  It was my own period of depression, 3 years of it.  Somehow, I survived.

Now, a couple of favorite verses of mine in times of anxiety and depression. Regardless of what you believe about God, go ahead and give this a try:  Philippians 4:6-7 "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.  And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."  <-- Something I've experienced firsthand.

also 1 Peter 5:7 "Cast all of your anxiety on Him because He cares for you."

A small FYI: I wasn't Christian till Freshman year.


Prayin for you man.

P.S.  Do you go to a private school or something?  AFAIK in the US, they can't kick you out of school except via expulsion order, which is usually for disciplinary action.  Again, AFAIK, the worst they could do is after 4 years of HS, send you to "Adult School" where you can choose to stay to complete credit requirements for your GED or something.  I'm not expert but that's how I understand it.

[aldo_14]

The thing about 15/16 is, you're only one or two years from the best decades of you life.   Granted, after you get to about 40 it's all downhill from there into the land of golf clubs and cardigans, but it's usually worth hanging about anyways

[Wobble73]

The thing about 15/16 is, you're only one or two years from the best decades of you life.   Granted, after you get to about 40 it's all downhill from there into the land of golf clubs and cardigans, but it's usually worth hanging about anyways

Not true, they say life begins at 40! 





At least I hope so......I've only six years to wait to find out!!!!

Good luck Kappwing, hope you feel better soon, my wife and I will be thinking of you!

[KappaWing]

P.S.  Do you go to a private school or something?  AFAIK in the US, they can't kick you out of school except via expulsion order, which is usually for disciplinary action.  Again, AFAIK, the worst they could do is after 4 years of HS, send you to "Adult School" where you can choose to stay to complete credit requirements for your GED or something.  I'm not expert but that's how I understand it.

Its a very odd circumstance for me. I technically go to a public school, but its run much like a private school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy

Somehow it must bypass this law, considering you still can go to school, just not that one.. The thing is, if you get a D+ or below in any class for a semester grade, you cannot come back next year. Instead you are sent back to your "home district" high school (HS for normal people). And my home district high school... well lets just say there have been 5 attempted fires this year alone, and people have actually defecated in the hallways, due to the conditions. Its horribly overcrowded (4 kids to a locker) and has all of my worst enemies from middle school. A real scum pit IMO. This is because two overly populated high schools to begin with were merged into a one of them, without any infrastructure change. My mom says she would sooner move out of the area then send me there, and I dont want to be responsible for us having to move just because some math teacher got the best of me.

Thanks again for the support, all.

[aldo_14]

P.S.  Do you go to a private school or something?  AFAIK in the US, they can't kick you out of school except via expulsion order, which is usually for disciplinary action.  Again, AFAIK, the worst they could do is after 4 years of HS, send you to "Adult School" where you can choose to stay to complete credit requirements for your GED or something.  I'm not expert but that's how I understand it.

Its a very odd circumstance for me. I technically go to a public school, but its run much like a private school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy

Somehow it must bypass this law, considering you still can go to school, just not that one.. The thing is, if you get a D+ or below in any class for a semester grade, you cannot come back next year. Instead you are sent back to your "home district" high school (HS for normal people). And my home district high school... well lets just say there have been 5 attempted fires this year alone, and people have actually defecated in the hallways, due to the conditions. Its horribly overcrowded (4 kids to a locker) and has all of my worst enemies from middle school. A real scum pit IMO. This is because two overly populated high schools to begin with were merged into a one of them, without any infrastructure change. My mom says she would sooner move out of the area then send me there, and I dont want to be responsible for us having to move just because some math teacher got the best of me.

Thanks again for the support, all.

Look on the bright side - your mum obviously cares a massive amount for your education; a lot of people aren't lucky enough to have parents willing or able to make that sort of sacrifices

[KappaWing]

I know, but I dont want her to be forced to make that sacrifice. that would make me feel terrible.

[Flipside]

The thing about 15/16 is, you're only one or two years from the best decades of you life.   Granted, after you get to about 40 it's all downhill from there into the land of golf clubs and cardigans, but it's usually worth hanging about anyways

* Flipside hides his Golf Clubs....

[Snail]

15 and you're allready on that train of thought?!

I had suicidal thoughts when I was 11. It was because I was getting an average of around 30% on my exams.

[Ulala]

* Flipside hides his Golf Clubs....

* Ulala does the same..

[Ashrak]

i always have suicidal thought, after which i go shoot 2 hours of pool

[TrashMan]

You'd be surprised at the numbers of kids 18 and under that have cut themselves, attempted to overdose, or otherwise physically harmed themselves - in the good old U.S.A.

Why is it that most suicides are in the most developed, free and "culturally advanced" countries?

Do they put someting in the water?
Professional help...pff. No matter how f**** up you case may be there are hundered, nay thousands in the world who are far worse off and they havn't kileld themselves.
If they can do it without going to a shrik, then you/me/he/she/it can too.

Personally, I belive that shrinks cna't help you much and they are as much in the dark about what realyl goes on in your head as everybody else. Humans are just too complex...

[Tamlin]

Dam I got four years..i got it sell the bistro. buy an expensive car..Get a mail order russian bride and move to New Zealand but first

* Flipside hides his Golf Clubs....

* Ulala does the same..

[Sandwich]

And my home district high school... well lets just say there have been 5 attempted fires this year alone, and people have actually defecated in the hallways, due to the conditions. Its horribly overcrowded (4 kids to a locker) and has all of my worst enemies from middle school. A real scum pit IMO.

That reminds me of my days in school. I moved here from the US with my family when I was in 5th grade. At the time, I was an utterly nerdy wuss, white (as opposed to the darker complexion that is more common here), didn't speak Hebrew, and everyone assumed we were snobby rich Americans (we weren't). Those years were hellish. The kids actually nicknamed me "F*ckel" (my real name is Michael). Totally horrid.

That lasted - with varying degrees, depending on when any given antagonist would grow up and mature beyond the antagonist phase - through the end of high-school. Sometime between 19-21 (incidentally, when I was in the army), things changed. Perhaps it had to do with my passing 6'3" and 220lbs. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that in the army, you have to get along with others. Or perhaps it was just me, growing older. Either way, by the time I finished the army, I was far more confident in myself and my position in this world - and I even managed to befriend a few of those same antagonists from high-school who were recruited into my unit a few months after I was.

Anyway, all this to say that for me, school has been my absolute least favorite period in life. I didn't put any effort into school because I hated every moment of being there, but looking back, I wish I had invested more effort into my studies than I did my Star Trek books (didn't say that they were wrong in considering me a big nerd... ). Anyway, what's done is done, and that part of my life is behind me.

Thank God.

[KappaWing]

Why is it that most suicides are in the most developed, free and "culturally advanced" countries?

When you dont have much in the first place, not many things can go wrong I suppose.

Do they put someting in the water?
Professional help...pff. No matter how f**** up you case may be there are hundered, nay thousands in the world who are far worse off and they havn't kileld themselves.
If they can do it without going to a shrik, then you/me/he/she/it can too.

Personally, I belive that shrinks cna't help you much and they are as much in the dark about what realyl goes on in your head as everybody else. Humans are just too complex...

I half agree with you. The study of psychology is, as i recently learned from someone who is going into the field, not as wishy-washy as many people think about it as. However, I believe its still true that no-one can get a better look in your head than yourself (unless you have some mental problem, in which case youd need a shrink.  )

I personally would never want to see a shrink for suicide related stuff. Thats just too... I dont know how to describe it.

I would see one for other things, like irrational fears, insomnia, and stuff like that.

[Tamlin]

Kappa... Look no one is stable..Those you pass judgement well {monty python comrs to mind]..So don't judge yourself. There is no quick way.. there is no "Who you know" for the "Self" it What you Do.. that matters ..[ interupted i'll be back].. hell I'm a witch[Pagan] and a sci fi nerd.who was something and now i'm something again[how Zen of me]...at 15 don't discount life or the nature of others. cause "If you can't laugh at others Who can you Laugh at" keep it lite peace... Tamlin's housemate

[IceFire]

The thing about 15/16 is, you're only one or two years from the best decades of you life.   Granted, after you get to about 40 it's all downhill from there into the land of golf clubs and cardigans, but it's usually worth hanging about anyways

Bah...quarter life crisis is a *****.  But 19-22 and hopefully sometime after 25 is good

[Goober5000]

Why is it that most suicides are in the most developed, free and "culturally advanced" countries?

Because money can't buy happiness?

[Nuclear1]

Why is it that most suicides are in the most developed, free and "culturally advanced" countries?

Because money can't buy happiness?

People in the more free countries have the ability to have their own opinions about what the rest of the world is like, how they can better themselves, and how everyone around them has done the exact same.

In the less-than-free countries, the government says "you have it good compared to everyone else."  Basically just blowing sunshine into their citizenry's tootieholes.

[jr2]

... IDK, maybe they are just too busy trying to survive and keep those they care about alive to have time to consider it... ?

[aldo_14]

Why is it that most suicides are in the most developed, free and "culturally advanced" countries?

Because money can't buy happiness?

People in the more free countries have the ability to have their own opinions about what the rest of the world is like, how they can better themselves, and how everyone around them has done the exact same.

In the less-than-free countries, the government says "you have it good compared to everyone else."  Basically just blowing sunshine into their citizenry's tootieholes.

Nah.  1st world nations have reached a state where simple survival is no longer the primary concern of people; with that comfort comes the ponderance of the non-survival parts of life and the setting of more abstract goals like 'happiness' or material gain.  Unattainable targets or expectations; and hence increased room for dissatisfaction.  It's no longer enough to be alive.

That said, it's not necessarily so clear cut; http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/ (China & Russia with higher rates than US & UK, for example)