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Offline Bobboau

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computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
so last night I was more or less asleep, when I heard a loud pop from outside, a few seconds later I hear the sounds of my computer starting up, sence I keep my computer on virtualy all the time and have it set to not turn back on if it loses power, I assumed the power had flitered off for a second, and to be safe I turned it off and whent back to sleep. today when I wake up I turn it on and everything seems faily normal, I do some work on some stuff, after a few hours of use out of the blue, it goes pop (it has always made a slight popping noise when it turns off) and restarts (and I hadn't saved my work for a while :mad: ), I think 'ok, thats... not good, maybe it was just a random thing' it gets to the logon screen and I enter my password, it gets into it's normal startup ruteen and then suddenly BAM! restated again. so it looks like my computer is broken, I'm not sure how or where but any time I try to do something computationaly expesive it will randomly reboot, and usualy the next time it starts up it reboots again during the first few seconds of post login running.

this sucks  :rolleyes:
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
I had this once- turned out that the caked layers of dust were interefering with the cooling.  About 20 minutes with an air compressor and everything was a-ok.

I admit it's bloody unlikely that that's all thats wrong... but it can't hurt to check, considering its free.

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
If your hearing a pop, my bet is that the power supply is going.. replace it b4 it fries your board.
EDIT: Either that, or your power supply is fine, and you've got an intermittent short that is causing your power supply to shut down to protect the computer.  Not likely, as I believe it would just shut off, not restart... but I could be wrong.  Find a known good power supply (or just buy one), try that, see what happens
EDIT2: You DO have more than one copy of your hard drive around... DON"T YOU!!?  :hopping:

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
My guess is that by disturbing the dormant trash sediment layers on your room's floor, you have awakened some hidden power that now manifests as electronic disturbances, causing your computer to malfunction occasionally.

I suggest you summon an exorcist immediately, preferably yesterday. If it doesn't work, the second chance is to check if the awaken demon resides inside your computer in a form of dust covering components...
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
I had something similar happen... but that was because a virus deleted an apparently crucial start-up file... and the computer was helpless. We eventually had to re-format the Hard Drive... fortunately all my stuff was backed up.  :D
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
I got it from an overheating Graphics card, but that was obviously the graphics card, the computer would cut out 20 mins into any graphically intensive game, and then needed to sit for 10 minutes before being restarted, else it would just cut out again at boot-up.

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
What does the pop sound like? There is more than one type of pop-like noise that could signal trouble. :p

Run Memtest86+ and see if it throws up anything.

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
Indeed, the difference between a 'Pop' and a 'Click' can often mean the difference between a new Power Supply and the dreaded 'Death of Hard-Drive' :(

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
the pop is nothing I'm pretty sure it isn't even coming from the computer per'se but the sound of the sound card losing power magnified by the 500 watt stereo it's hooked up to, it comes out of the speakers, and has been doing it for as long as I had the computer hooked up to the stereo. and it's definately not a hard drive click, although I do hear one of them once every blue moon, I had a hard drive fail on me before and I know what that's like.
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
Download Memtest86+ .iso, burn that, boot it, let it test through a complete round of tests, if not overnight.

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
Ugh. Didnt see this thread. Ignore my PM then, I guess :sigh:

GL with the computer problem. I dont know what it could be.
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
well it hasn't crashed for a while, maybe it'll be fine...
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
Two primary possibilities:

1.  Overheating (most likely).
2.  Dying power supply (least likely).

To me, this sounds like a classic case of overheating.  Check your fans, check your heatsinks, and check your temperatures.  Motherboard Monitor is a good tool for checking it on-the-fly.

Truly random restarts (without error codes in the event log... you did check that, right ? :D) are almost ALWAYS the result of heating or power issues.  Power issues should also manifest on startup though (cold-boot), so try powering off the PC overnight one night, and boot it up in the morning.  If it POSTs properly, chances are it isn't power.

In fact, I bet one of two fans in your PC is toast... the CPU heatsink/fan, or the video card heatsink/fan.
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
...PSU fan(s)?

PS Bobboau: Did you hear a kind of loud whirring/grinding noise for a few weeks/months before this happened?  A noise that cut out after the computer warmed up?  Some ball bearing fans do that when they are going.  Also, you are using a Surge Protector/Suppressor, right?  And the grounding is fine?

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
this is why i shut down my computer when i dont use it. i hear alot of people who say its better on your computer if you leave it on. i think those people smoke too much crack. your computer will go obsolete before it dies due to stress caused by starting up and shutting down.

if you got a mobo with non-volitile ram on it (which is used for some obscure, mythical reason, probibly storing bios settings), try finding the setting to reset it in your bios. the data on it might have been corrupted in the power failure. ive had some scarey powerfailures when my computer was on , usually resulting in odd boot behavior. resetting the nv ram seems to fix it every time. nother thing that works is a shutdown, then remove the machine from power for awhile. this works too.

wouldnt go as far as a backup battery, but a line conditioner might work. its sad but all the apartments i ever lived it i can only remember one that was properly grounded. if they havent been grounded its a good probability that the wiring is old too. mice in the walls like to chew on wires too, we have a problem with squirrels on the lines too. how i long for the day when houses have their own fusion reactors.
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
how i long for the day when houses have their own fusion reactors.
Me too, but considering your custom text, I wouldn't want you to get your hands on it :p
this is why i shut down my computer when i dont use it. i hear alot of people who say its better on your computer if you leave it on. i think those people smoke too much crack. your computer will go obsolete before it dies due to stress caused by starting up and shutting down.
It's called thermal creep... your processor and components go from room temperature to more than two times that in a few minutes.  When you shut it off, the same happens in reverse.  Which is no problem, except that some of the components expand/contract at a different rate under the same temperatures.  This causes them to loosen.  Of course, you can always just go through your system and make sure everything's tight if something goes wrong...
Oh, and some people have their computers doing things while they are not using them ::) ;)

 

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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
well thats ok, hence running a server or pirating stuff. but considering how often they simply idle doing nothing i think its a waste of power. i admit that thermal creep over time can cause damage, one of the reasons why components have a predicted lifespan. even so, regular startups and shutdowns, most components would last about 5 years. i dont think i own any electronics over 5 years old. computers go obsolete in a year or two anyway, so why go to extreems to get an extra year of life out of something. creep in itself can usually be fixed by the "wiggle it" technique.

if you want hardware to last, there are better ways to do it than leave it on all the time. one good way is to avoid unneccisary tampering. esd damage can be undetectable for a long time before any noticeable damage sets in. another good way is to keep your computer area clean. i have to constantly clear dust and cat hair from my fans and intakes. smoking can be bad too. makes the dust sticky, as does humidity. im supprised computers dont have air filters. a secondary enclosure helps too, just so long as its ventalated. yes you can clean your case, but then thats tampering and can cause esd exposure, especially using an air compressor or vaccume. moving dust creates static, so use canned air with an anti-static agent. but if you can avoid dust collection in the first place, thats the preferable way. a good way to reduce dust collection, oddly enough, is to turn your computer off when not in use.
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my computer is an alarm clock
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
even so, regular startups and shutdowns, most components would last about 5 years. i dont think i own any electronics over 5 years old. computers go obsolete in a year or two anyway, so why go to extreems to get an extra year of life out of something.
I beg to differ; most components are past their useful mainstream lifespan within 4 years. I know there are much older computers that have run for many years on end. One example; the file server is an old 400-or-so-mhz Intel with 64mb of RAM and 2mb of VRAM. The server itself has a software RAID5 (7 x Seagate Cheetah (15,000RPM, 147GB, SCSI) with nearly a terabyte of storage. It runs NT 4.0 iirc (don't tell me about hard drive max sizes, I somehow doubt most of em).

Anyways... desktops for office stuff go obsolete in about 6 years. Workstations go obsolete in about 4 years. Gaming rigs and laptops go obsolete in about 2 years. Still, storage servers will probably run for 12+ years. We have had hard drives fail in the RAID array; slower transfer and the same vulnerability of RAID 0.


Anyways, Bobboau; what type of power supply do you use? If its an OEM PSU, its likely dying because the manufacturers test how much energy is needed and round up to the nearest 50-watt interval; not a perfect idea to say the least.

Anyways, can you give us some more info about your computer? Complete specs?
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Re: computer to Bobboau: I think it's time to start over
Happened to me just a month ago. Check the cables running from the power supply to the motherboard: if they're all black and charred then you've got a problem. An expensive problem. Otherwise just try replacing the power supply.