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Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Microsoft has been releasing Application compatibility patches. We've had 2 already and it's made a big difference. And OpenGL is working well enough for me.
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Offline wtf_cl0vvn

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
I'd wait...no programs require it yet.

Seems kind of expensive anyhow...even though I DO have access to a free copy if need be.

My friend is a CompSci major and he gets a free copy...he and some other guy managed to crack the protection on it the other day.
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Offline jr2

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Me wants!!

 
Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Re: Vista memory usage:

What's the point of having 2GB of RAM if it's mostly unused and the OS swaps stuff to disk heavily? Point is that RAM should be consumed before the OS even begins to swap to disk; WinXP doesn't understand this and typically starts swapping after about 100MB of user apps are in memory. Even on a 2GB system.

Yes, the Vista OS itself is rather bloated and the system caches are very large, but I don't see this as much of a problem. Games are probably going to start demanding 3 or 4GB of main RAM in the next year or two, Vista regardless.
Large system caches mean less disk access, which unless you have a RAID setup with the mother of all onboard caches, is widening a serious bottleneck in the PC architecture.

I'm not sure what gives the greater performance boost: aggressive caching or reduced swapping. With a sensible algorithm for determining the memory pages to swap, it is very possible that Vista could support more memory-intensive apps at once than XP ever could, with no performance decrease.
After all, how many apps besides games (and server apps, but that's not the topic) are actually going to push memory consumption above a gigabyte? I'd rather require 2GB to support a system that's using all of it than require 2GB because the OS is wasting most of it.
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Currently running Vista Ultimate as my primary OS and it has 0 problems. Runs everything great. I never use the flip 3d because im so used to Alt Tabing and not Windows Key Tabing. Some good noticible features would be Windows volume controls on a per-program basis, its as stable if not more stable than XP Pro, and other things i cant think of off the top of my head right now. My system is 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB Ram, 8800GTX, nforce 680i.

 

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Well, all I'll say is this, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong, Microsoft are getting nothing more than self-earned outcome of selling me Windows XP 2 weeks after it was released. I'm never going to allow Microsoft products that haven't had at least a year of security testing on my computer again.

what's really ironic about this post is that vista has far more security features than xp does.

I think most of the problems with vista are related to drivers. Look at the pain that causes. When i see people who want microsoft to totally design a whole new system that completely replaced the user interface and everything under the hood, you think... even a slight bump to NT 6.0 causes this much strife....
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Offline Flipside

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
It doesn't matter if it does. As I said, I'm glad for those who are happy with it, but after my last experience with a Microsoft OS, I'm giving it time before I'm installing. After all, XP was advertised as being 'far more secure' than Windows 98...

 

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
well, that's a good point, but I would argue that microsoft didn't really understand security in August 2001. I think that's definately changed.
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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Heh, I know I'll have to go over at some point, I don't really mind, I've been a Windows user most of my PC-life. I'm not a Microsoft hater or anything, but I guess I am just a little over cautious after last time ;)

 

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
[spooky voice] DRMMMMMMMM....[/spooky voice]

 

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Um, UT, you should educate yourself about that. Vista doesn't affect media that doesn't use DRM, and it doesn't add DRM to any files, so it's really only there for those poor fools that have to use DRM.
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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/ ?

"Nevertheless, Gutmann calls Vista multimedia DRM the "longest suicide note in history"..."

  

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
You should be aware that this wasn't something that Microsoft wanted to do - The MPAA and RIAA wanted this. It was either this or not have Vista be able to play back HD-DVD and Blu-Ray out of the box. OS X will have similar measures in Leopard. It's the Movie companies that are enforcing this stuff. I say write to congress if you don't like it, not blame M$.

It's really stupid since both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have already been cracked and people will just share torrents of the cracked non-DRM versions for the technically savvy.
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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Currently running Vista Ultimate as my primary OS and it has 0 problems. Runs everything great. I never use the flip 3d because im so used to Alt Tabing and not Windows Key Tabing. Some good noticible features would be Windows volume controls on a per-program basis, its as stable if not more stable than XP Pro, and other things i cant think of off the top of my head right now. My system is 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB Ram, 8800GTX, nforce 680i.

Right now I'm running Kubuntu Feisty as my primary OS and it has 0 problems.... that doesn't mean I'd reccomend it for average joe.

 

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
yum update Mars
Setting up repositories...
setting up update process..
no packages found. nothing to do.
[root@localhost]$
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Offline Flipside

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
One thing confuses me about DRM, the fact is that most Pirated movies are converted to a different format before they hit the torrents anyway, they aren't put up as ISOs. With the increase in Internet speed, even HD movies are not going to be beyond the reach of most users.

So, if someone, say, copies the movie on Windows XP, and puts it up for download as an .AVI file, would the DRM protection still apply when it plays in Vista?

If it doesn't then the only people Hollywood are punishing are those who actually paid for their movies, and they are actually giving an advantage to those who don't.

 

Offline neoterran

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no, no it wouldn't. That's why it's so stupid. It only applies if the system detects the file contains a DRM scheme. Then the protected video path is turned on so you can't copy it.
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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
And guess what would include a DRM scheme? All of the records and movies that are going to be coming out.

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
Yes, but from what I understand, that DRM scheme is coded onto the Blue-Ray itself, not the movie, else they would be able to use the same technology for CD and DVD based movies? If that's the case, as long as you can find a way to get the movie off of the HD-DVD or Blue Ray without making an ISO the DRM is effectively removed?

 

Offline neoterran

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Re: I got my "Express Upgrade to Windows Vista" today.
yes, like I said, both formats have already been reverse-engineered and cracked, so you can extract the movie without the DRM.

But will Joe Blow know how to do that ? No.
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