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Offline Dysko

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I strongly prefer Cadillac-like cars to Mercedes-like luxury cars and sportcars... but if somebody gave me a Lamborghini as a birthday present I wouldn't certainly refuse it... :D
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Offline Bob-san

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but if somebody gave me a Lamborghini as a birthday present I wouldn't certainly refuse it... :D
I think we can all agree on that point... they're all nice cars. If it runs (and doesnt cost $10,000 to repair), I wouldn't mind getting a car for free.

Still, I will be inheriting the '56 Caddy and probably buying the '86 Grand National off my Uncle (hopefully he doesn't get rid of it any time soon).
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Offline aldo_14

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I do not like that car in the least. That car reminds me too much of a over-shined tank.

There's something to be said about a Cadillac that I just can't say about any of those cars. The Cadillac Sedan de Ville was a "Full-Sized Luxury Car". You really can't compare a luxury car to a roadster coupe (Mercedes 300SL, MGA 1600, BMW 507) or a sports car (Aston Martin DB2/4). It is apples to oranges. The Cadillac style we are arguing over are the 1950s full-size luxury cars. At least try to meet one of those criteria when you match some European model to a Cadillac; please... choose a full-size car or a luxury car (from about +/- 2 years model year). That'll keep this fair. Perhaps Cadillac is out-classed in Europe. It is still an American icon for style, luxury, and class.

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THose cars didn't necessarily exist in europe, you realise (someone who actually cares can check this out, I suppose) ; these were full size luxury cars, they simply had both comfort and[i/] high performance.  What you have to bear in mind is that the Cadillac was imitating these types of cars (at least in its initial concept), but at a lower price and hence performance range.

 

Offline Stealth

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Are you kidding?  Europe invented the luxury car - Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Rolls Royce, Bentley (for example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Bentley_r_cont.jpg).  What the US did was come up with the concept of an arguably cruder, lower performance vehicle that was -crucially - cheaper and more mass-affordable; something which funneled back into europe in much the same was as Asian & European hatchbacks will gradually funnel into the US market.

he wasn't saying they didn't.  he was saying if that's the case, why didn't BlackWolf post up some luxury cars to compete against, you guessed it, a LUXURY CAR.  instead he posted pictures of sports cars.

 

Offline Stealth

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THose cars didn't necessarily exist in europe, you realise (someone who actually cares can check this out, I suppose) ; these were full size luxury cars, they simply had both comfort and[i/] high performance.  What you have to bear in mind is that the Cadillac was imitating these types of cars (at least in its initial concept), but at a lower price and hence performance range.

... the cadillac was imitating the "concept" of a luxury car?

... no one can argue that the cadillac's styling was completely original.  COMPLETELY.  try to find a 50s, 60s, or 70s cadillac that looks like any other car.  European or American.

 

Offline Stealth

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and at that, i'm going to post some pictures of some of the body styles, years, and models of late 50s and early 60s cadillacs.  don't tell me these cars 'imitated' anyone else.  they were as original and unique in their styling as you can get.

note the lines of the 60 cadlilac.  long, and sleek.  nothing european here.  yet they still had 350HP engines.






(don't know if you can tell, but i'm a big fan of 59 and 60 cadillacs)

You can say what you want, but in America, Cadillac always has, and still is, the symbol of luxury and class.  And they usually aren't slow either.  i forget if i said it in this thread, but Cadillac put the biggest production V8 in the world into 6 years worth of cars, with 400HP bone stock in 1970.  that held the guiness book of records till a year or two ago.  the 59 cadillac can take on any 60s stock mustang, minus performer mustangs mind you

  

Offline aldo_14

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Are you kidding?  Europe invented the luxury car - Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Rolls Royce, Bentley (for example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Bentley_r_cont.jpg).  What the US did was come up with the concept of an arguably cruder, lower performance vehicle that was -crucially - cheaper and more mass-affordable; something which funneled back into europe in much the same was as Asian & European hatchbacks will gradually funnel into the US market.

he wasn't saying they didn't.  he was saying if that's the case, why didn't BlackWolf post up some luxury cars to compete against, you guessed it, a LUXURY CAR.  instead he posted pictures of sports cars.

Those were luxury cars.  Understand that the concept changed a bit in crossing the atlantic.

THose cars didn't necessarily exist in europe, you realise (someone who actually cares can check this out, I suppose) ; these were full size luxury cars, they simply had both comfort and[i/] high performance.  What you have to bear in mind is that the Cadillac was imitating these types of cars (at least in its initial concept), but at a lower price and hence performance range.

... the cadillac was imitating the "concept" of a luxury car?

... no one can argue that the cadillac's styling was completely original.  COMPLETELY.  try to find a 50s, 60s, or 70s cadillac that looks like any other car.  European or American.

The styling may be original, but the styling isn't the concept.  I mean, a lot of people (myself included) find the cadillac horribly ugly, and a lot of other people find it a thing of beauty.  The same applies to most 50s cars from the states and indeed elsewhere, and obviously it's pretty much impossible to have a debate over whose personal preference is best (not that that ever stopped us trying :D).  If you want to, you can say the cadillac was 'reinventing' the european concept of a luxury car for the mass market in the US; at the same time I'd suggest defining exactly what you mean by 'luxury car' for the sake of clarity. :)
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Offline Bob-san

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Cadillac invented the tail-fin style. Cadillac had a great part in style; others could style a car so it look and is expensive, Cadillac found great success in styling a car so it looks expensive though available to the masses. The style they invented is an American icon for class, the same status it had in the lates 40s to early 60s it carries with it, even today! Anyone who owns a car (especially a Cadillac) from that period is very lucky; I can only hope that all those cars still in good condition will be saved for years to come; it would be a shame to loose such great style and class to time.
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Offline aldo_14

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For the record, my personal opinion is that a cadillac is about as good looking as a bulldog with a skelped arse.

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Offline Stealth

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then your opinion, sir, differs from 95% of America's population :)

 

Offline aldo_14

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then your opinion, sir, differs from 95% of America's population :)

Heh, that's true for about 95% of my opinions. Albeit is that 95% anything other than a guess?

 

Offline Stealth

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well go ahead and ask anyone in america if they find Cadillacs to be a standard of class and luxury in cars.

i just asked all 8 people in the room here with me, and didn't get a "no"

 

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Don't you give me no Buick
Or the Foreign Cars absurd
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He drives a Silver Thunderbird ;)

 

Offline aldo_14

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well go ahead and ask anyone in america if they find Cadillacs to be a standard of class and luxury in cars.

i just asked all 8 people in the room here with me, and didn't get a "no"

Hold on a secamobile, though, what sort of standard? ;)

 

Offline Roanoke

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well go ahead and ask anyone in america if they find Cadillacs to be a standard of class and luxury in cars.

i just asked all 8 people in the room here with me, and didn't get a "no"

well that's cool and eveything but only Americans like American cars. Save for the oddball value ofcourse.

Nowhere else in the world can you get a boggo Taxi saloon car with a 4.6V8.

 

Offline Mika

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Am I the only one who thinks this thread is hilarious?

You both are wrong. Those ain't no cars. This is the essence of a car:
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/popup.dsp?id=448

I'm quite sure you have no idea how badass that thing is.
When you hopped in you wished that you survive the trip. When you were travelling in it, you wished that you would survive the trip. And when you finally got out of it you were happy that you survived the trip. Alternatively you wished that the car would not have survived the trip and would have saved you from a lot of trouble as you would have a legitimate reason to be late from meeting place where the big boss gives you your next assignment (usually ****).

Lets see what car means from Encyclopedia Mikannica:

Car - lat. Engineus Quadcyclius
A device meant for transportation of people (usually of their own free will) that has internal engine which provides power for the translational movement and, usually four wheels of which at least two use this aforementioned power. The earliest developments of car started in the 1890, and during last 120 years it has gone through many evolutions and generations. For this reason, it might be difficult to recognise the original form of the current observable species. The most primitive forms of car can, luckily, still be observed inside Russia. It has been assumed that this is because of the rapid migrational habits of this species, it also seems to avoid cold areas. There is a theory circulating that the species met in Russia are specialised to survive in cold climate and the evolutionary process has led them to their current form.

It has been a constant argument to define what is the difference between Lada [lat. Succius automobilius - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sb78jSc4PI&mode=related&search=  for reference ] and a car, as they both seem to fulfil this definition. The opponents of this theory claim that it is possible to go too deep into the essence of a car, and therefore Lada is not considered to belong to the faction of cars. There seems to be empirical evidence that in order for a new species to be defined as a car, it has to fulfil requirements mentioned in the earlier chapter, but it also has to be able to virtually extend the ego of the owner of a car, usually from the crotch.

In the wild life, if one looks carefully enough, one might spot a species called Automobilius Stupidus Populatius , easily recognisable from its over extending spoilers and overwide tires. This species can also be recognised by sound, when moving it usually makes "thump thump thump" sounding noise, which can be heard miles away in good weather conditions.

Besides aforementioned species, cars are classified as:

Automobilius Americanus i.e. American Car. Recognised from its large engine and size, usually has two vertical stabilizers as found in modern aircraft. Contains a lot of chrome and luxus.

Automobilius Europa i.e. European Car. Recognised from its small size and usually over optimized and highly electronized engine. Uses a small amount of fuel but lacks torque.
There are several subspecies in Automobilius Europa. Most notable of them being:

            Automobilius Russius - Like Amerian Car but lacks chrome, size, large engine, vertical stabilizers               
            and luxus. Makes this up by burning as much fuel as American Car. It was born in the harshest possible
            climate and thus survives almost anywhere. After the fall of Soviet Union its immigration speed has       
            slowed down.

            Automobilius Germanius - Like European car but lacks small size.

            Automobilius Italianus - Italian Car, like European car, but optimized even a little more. As a result,         
           it does not work in conditions differing from its birth place.

            Automobilius Francius - Like Italian Car, but tolerates different conditions slightly better. Usually
           just enough to lead owner in bigger trouble, but not out of it.

           There are reported sightings of Automobilius Englius , but these are so rare that it is considered a
           dying species.

Automobilius ricecuppius - Asian Car, for some unexplained reason the evolution has created a car which is exactly like European car on the opposite side of the Earth. All the properties of European Car fit to the Asian car, but it costs less money and is described as "best bang for buck" in crude terms. Another notable feature is the lack of difference between Asian cars, one cannot recognise different Asian car species until very close.

- End of definition -

The another thing I would call a car, more specially a truck (again from the Soviet Union). The thing looks quite badass and screams pure functionality.

http://www.petrisimolin.com/Thepalsta/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13994

That is how a truck is supposed to look like and what the truck is supposed to do. To go where no man has gone before. Also notice its blocky design emphasizing the fact that this thing is meant for manly work and is not supposed to be silky smooth like the current wimpy, girly cars. All its metal surfaces can be repaired in your own garage with a big enough hammer, repair are even easier: bend the plate and it will fit in. You can see enough of smooth curves in woman, don't you agree? A couple of battle scars and bumps will only make that thing look better! Run it through a ditch a couple of times, sunk it halfway in a swamp, or roll it over a couple of times and the paintwork seemingly improves! How many car owners can say the same about their own cars? This thing indeed has some street credibility.

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Offline Stealth

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The another thing I would call a car, more specially a truck (again from the Soviet Union). The thing looks quite badass and screams pure functionality.

http://www.petrisimolin.com/Thepalsta/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13994

That is how a truck is supposed to look like and what the truck is supposed to do. To go where no man has gone before. Also notice its blocky design emphasizing the fact that this thing is meant for manly work and is not supposed to be silky smooth like the current wimpy, girly cars. All its metal surfaces can be repaired in your own garage with a big enough hammer, repair are even easier: bend the plate and it will fit in. You can see enough of smooth curves in woman, don't you agree? A couple of battle scars and bumps will only make that thing look better! Run it through a ditch a couple of times, sunk it halfway in a swamp, or roll it over a couple of times and the paintwork seemingly improves! How many car owners can say the same about their own cars? This thing indeed has some street credibility.

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Mika

yeah... at 3 miles per gallon....

without reading your whole post, are you trying to argue that the definition of 'car' among the masses isn't correct?  cause i'm missing your point here...

 

Offline Fury

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Mika's quite correct with his statement IMHO. Cars used by military are by its definition, "real" cars.

If you want a layman's "real" car and by "real" you refer to aesthetically pleasing car, I have yet to see a single such car in this topic. The "classics" in this topic are damn ugly, in fact even most modern cars are more or less ugly. I have seen only a handful good looking cars, but sadly I don't know what cars these were as cars aren't my hobby.

I'd say that street versions of the modern WRC cars are more "real" cars than the "classics" in this topic, but that's just my own preference. Even then most WRC derivatives or the WRC cars themselves aren't exactly the most beautiful things on Earth either. As far as aesthetics go, Lamborghini Murcielago and Gallardo sure look better than any "classic" so far in this topic, but I wouldn't want to own either of them.
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Offline Dysko

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            Automobilius Italianus - Italian Car, like European car, but optimized even a little more. As a result,         
           it does not work in conditions differing from its birth place any condition.
Corrected. :p
Italian cars (especially if they are FIAT, but I know also people complaining about Alfa Romeo) are very prone to mechanical problems. Most of them are also quite ugly (like the FIAT Stilo and the extremely ugly FIAT Multipla).
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Offline Stealth

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unfortunately i think that (ugliness) describes most European cars.

Europeans are quick to argue that "European cars > American cars!!111", and they'll post pictures of murcielagos, ferraris, and other sleek, finely tuned and easy-to-look-at sports cars, but yet when you travel to Europe, 99% of the population drives these ugly, box-like, cars