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someone should do an experement to determine the mass of the Higgs' boson...  :nervous:
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someone should do an experement to determine the mass of the Higgs' boson...  :nervous:
Am I the only one who first read that as Higgs' bosom?

 

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I'm waiting for someone to get the reference...

"the thing is that general theory of relativity is very accurate model of gravity, according to all field experiments  - other than galactic movements, that is. That means that GR [general relativity] would be accurate only on "medium" scale and inaccurate on both quantum scale and galactic scale. Which leaves us wondering, why would it be so fricking accurate in between. It is a possibility, but it feels so unlikely that the more believable option is the existence of unknown and difficult to observe substance - dark matter."

you could say the same thing about Newtonian mechanics, quantum theory explains the super small and relativity explains the super big, but why does Newtonian theory work so well in the middle space. the thing is we KNOW that all three theories are wrong, they just happen to be good in a certain range of variables, quantum mechanics is good for things to small to see, relativity is good for things to large or fast to comprehend, and Newtonian model is good for things we deal with in every day life. why would it seem so hard to believe that there is an upper boundary on relativity just like there is on Newtonian physics? have you come into some sort of mindset were newton was fundamentally flawed in some special way that the other two models were not? no, the other two models are flawed just as the newton model is, it wouldn't suprize me in the least to find there is an upper boundary for relativity or a lower boundary for quantum mechanics. I find distasteful the modern physics community's attitude that invisible untouchable particles that float through everything is not only a more plausible explaination for new observations on previously investigated scales than "we might be wrong" but that they seemingly didn't even consider it until many years later and still the people who try to determine if there are flaws typically get ridiculed and laughed out of there positions. I don't know about you but these magical forces and particles we invent to fit our anomalous observations into our existing theories, that doesn't seem right.
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Actually, alternative gravity models are serious science... There was an article in a Finnish astronomy magazine (Tähdet ja Avaruus) about a dude who's doing just that, trying to figure out alternative gravity models.

Anyway, the main problem with gravity is not with scale but with accuracy. Newtonian model is a rough approximation that works surprizingly well, but errors cumulate. General relativity fixes those issues very well, but in micro scale it has problems reaching sufficient accuracy to predict gravitational effects between particles. And quantum gravitation doesn't work either, it gives infinite forces which don't exist in reality etc. etc.

It is possible that general relativity is not applicable to large enough scale, but it's equally possible that it is accurate and dark matter exists. There's no way of knowing for sure, but those two are the only two options... And while we are waiting for the next-gen gravity theory to be composed - something that retains the accuracy of general relativity or improves upon it, while explaining the galactic rotation without dark matter - we're better off interpreting the observation data using the best known theories.

The thing is, in addition to galactic rotation there are other observations supporting the existence of dark matter (and dark energy)... namely the cosmic background radiation of the universe. I don't know the details, but somehow the data apparently tells that

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    * The universe is 13.7 billion ± 200 million years old [3].[1]
    * The universe is composed of:
          o 4% ordinary baryonic matter
          o 22% an unknown type of dark matter, which does not emit or absorb light.
          o 74% a mysterious dark energy, which acts to accelerate expansion.
    * The cosmological scenarios of cosmic inflation are in better agreement with the three-year data, although there is still an unexplained anomaly on the largest angular measurement of the quadrupole moment.
    * The Hubble constant is 70 (km/s)/Mpc, +2.4/-3.2
    * The data are consistent with a flat geometry.
    * CMB polarization results provide experimental confirmation of cosmic inflation favoring the simplest versions of the theory.


Don't ask me how these conclusions are achieved, I have no way to perform any kind of source critique here... I don't know the maths and only have a shoddy grasp of the physics in question at my best days. At the moment, that is... :p

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By the way, considering Higgs' boson: CERN's Large Hadron Collider is AFAIK supposed to confirm the existence or nonexistence of Higgs' boson. If it's found, it'll likely be a major confirmation of string theory. If it isn't found... Well, someone will have to start developing thong theory instead, I guess. :nervous:
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Physicists also know the gravitational power of dark energy, which is currently equivalent to 1.337*10-27 grams per cubic centimeter.

you have got to be ****ting me... dark energy is leet.

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Re: I just realised something about astrophysics
As for why something can be way off for large and small scales but incredibly accurate in between... a twelfth-order polynomial approximation of the sine function is really accurate for a few cycles near x=0, but diverges rapidly thereafter in both + and - directions.
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Re: I just realised something about astrophysics
Isn't there another theory going around that the effect of dark energy is really just that gravity may work differently over extremely long ranges than it does over short ones?
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I'd say it's just the universe screwing our simian-eukleidean-newtonian world perspective.

I mean, we're used to saying that if something is getting further from us faster and faster, it is "accelerating" and we also naturally assume that there needs to be a force causing that acceleration. The problem in this is that it works exellently in a place where there's three linear stable space dimensions and one linear time dimension, which is a often a good approximation of the universe in small scale but it stops being accurate in many cases.

In this case, if there's more space being generated everywhere, universally, then there is no need for a force to exist to accelerate objects away. Which is, of course, the case here... and a reverted case of this can be seen when you pick an object into your hand, and let it go. It'll fall... and on our simian context it seems to be accelerating towards the center of Earth's gravity. But if we put ourselves into the object's reference frame, the force suddenly doesn't seem to exist any more - in fact it appears that something forces Earth to accelerate towards us.

Gravity, like the expanding factor of universe, is an apparent force, a phenomenon that affects matter through the shape (and amount) of space in between the objects. It's not a direct force like between two electric charges... It's just space tossing things around in geodesic trajectories that just appear curved to our perspective.

Not to mention that no one actually knows why the most fundamental law of physics, conservation of momentum (ie. energy) actually works. No one knows for sure why inertia exists, or why inertial mass is exactly the same as gravitational mass. We just know that this stuff seems to work... as long as the space stays pleasantly eucleidean. If it doesn't, we start having anomalies like the perihelion of Mercury, guidance satellites throw us dozen kilometres off-target etc. etc.

So, if you want to think the universe as a big box full of stuff expanding from the center... then you're right, conservation of momentum (energy) doesn't apply in itself. But thinking out of the box... every point is the center of expansion, experiencing no changes of momentum and hence there is no net increase of (kinetic) energy in the universe. The generation of space is uniform phenomenon in the universe, although gravity tends to negate it's effects (which, of course, makes complete sense in a way).

No one also knows if energy is needed to create space. Of course the easiest way to increase the local amount of space is to concentrate a whole lot of stuff into one point, creating a distortion in time/space, which curves the space locally and stretches the space, increasing the amount of it. For example, if you take a hermetically sealed cube with static temperature, fill it with 1 atm pressure gas and take the cube into space far from heavy objects such as stars, planets and stuff... you should notice a small increase in the pressure of the gas inside the cube, because the amount of space limited by the cube's dimensions will decrease as the curving of space decreases.

It is, in fact, possible that bit by bit, the mass of the universe itself is slowly causing the curvature of the universe to change, which causes stretching, which we see as increase of space between objects, ie. expansion.

But I wouldn't know for sure.  ;)


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->perihelion: Got me. :p

I don't know much about dark matter, but the thing to remember with it is that it seems to be affected by gravity and weak nuclear interaction. That also explains why it doesn't collapse to itself... It just keeps going through itself. Kinda like superfluid - are you familiar with the term? For example, you can pump superfluid in a pipe to both directions at once, they just pass through each other.

The reason for this is that touch is interaction dealt purely with electrodynamics. Electrons bumping from each other. Dark matter can't be touched and it can't touch itself. Kinda like cosmological King Midas there. So consequently, dark matter cannot form any points of concentration. It can orbit one point or several points in fact, but it doesn't hit itself so it isn't likely to form energy density high enough to form event horizon (ie. black hole). Even if you make two "hunks" or clouds of dark matter fall directly towards each other, they will pass through the center of gravity or close by, pass each other, and start resonating around the center of gravity.





There still needs to be a force that generates the space, unless you want to take "that" perspective and say the universe violates what we term "causality". I don't know what your point is with the reference frames. Two things observe different things. Are you trying to say that space is really not expanding, it's everything that's getting smaller?

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Not to mention that no one actually knows why the most fundamental law of physics, conservation of momentum (ie. energy) actually works. No one knows for sure why inertia exists, or why inertial mass is exactly the same as gravitational mass. We just know that this stuff seems to work... as long as the space stays pleasantly eucleidean. If it doesn't, we start having anomalies like the perihelion of Mercury, guidance satellites throw us dozen kilometres off-target etc. etc.

The perihelion of Mercury is hardly an anomaly--it's explained fully by special relativity. Same goes for guidance satellites. The GPS is adjusted to compensate for the effects of special relativity's predictions. Also, it's kind of a moot question why the laws of the universe are so, because they would be incredibly hard to discover and have very little bearing on our world.

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It is, in fact, possible that bit by bit, the mass of the universe itself is slowly causing the curvature of the universe to change, which causes stretching, which we see as increase of space between objects, ie. expansion.

I'm actually not sure on this myself, but I believe that's the whole idea, except that part with the stretching. Everything I've read says that mass in the universe counteracts expansion, because of its gravity.


Your explanation of dark matter makes no sense. Dark matter is simply matter we cannot see because it does not emit what we use to see it. It may consist of particles we do not know of yet, but it is otherwise ordinary matter. Even if, as you say, it does not physically interact with most matter (like neutrinos don't) they would, according to my admittedly limited worldview, still collapse to a point. If they are affected by gravity, then they will eventually "hit" each other and eventually cease movement, because even if they keep passing through one another they lose energy each time. If dark matter does not collide with other matter including itself, then it will form a point of very little volume indeed, whose infinitesimality is limited only by the Pauli exclusion principle.

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Re: I just realised something about astrophysics
Isn't there another theory going around that the effect of dark energy is really just that gravity may work differently over extremely long ranges than it does over short ones?

Yes, there is.  Search for "MOND," which stands for MOdified Newtonian Dynamics.  Mathematically, it works out fairly well, but physically it makes no real sense to me.  The last time I read up much about it, I thought the basic idea was interesting as a thought experiment, but it was not really addressing root causes.

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~ssm/mond/

@ Herra, I have to agree with Agent Koopa for the moment.  If dark matter does not interact with itself or baryonic matter through strong nuclear or electromagnetic forces, there'd be even less to stop dark matter from collapsing into black holes than baryonic matter. 

However, I would have to caution you (Agent Koopa) from assuming that the Pauli Exclusion Principle applied at all to Dark Matter.  There are plenty of subatomic particles which could care less about sharing a common quantum state.  The Pauli principle only applies to fermions, not bosons.  Normal matter has lots of both.  Wiki does a decent job introducing the topic.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson

I remember reading an article about threading Dark Matter down a wormhole to stabilise it or something, but one thing I have certainly learned about AstroPhysics is that by about the 4th paragraph, I understand about every 3rd word ;)

That wouldn't be dark matter.  Whenever I have read about something like that, it's been referred to as "negative matter" or more frequently "exotic matter."  Such matter would have a "negative gravitational charge" for want of a better term.  It would interact and create gravitational fields in the exact opposite manner to normal matter.  You'd need something like that to "hold open a wormhole mouth" or make a warp drive remotely possible.  As you can probably tell, this is much more the realm of science fiction than astrophysics at this point.  As far as I know, there's no theoretical basis for such matter actually existing.  But man, it would be really cool if there was!
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Thank you about the cosmic background radiation data, but that actually did not answer the question. The point was how was this data exactly measured? If I remember correctly, it had something to do with a satellite based measurement, on which the measurement data was averaged over 2 or 3 years to reduce the noise level accordingly. However, I think this process needs some explanation, since according to my understanding satellite is  moving along with everything else on the space. Now, I would think that this should actually average (read: distort) the measurement result itself also - and considering the time it is taken, quite significantly also. Would you happen to have a link on the mission itself so that I could find out how it was really done?

Considering measurement results, that is the only way you really find out anything. Any scientific theory should have empirical evidence to support it, but unfortunately, this doesn't really happen with dark matters and string theories.  What we have is actually a collection of measurements and observations that don't fit to the dogma, but we don't have any direct measurement of dark matter, even though by the definition of dark matter itself it should be easily measurable and detectable (or at least its properties would lead me to think so). String theory itself is a misnomer as there is no empirical evidence that would support it, so it cannot be called a theory.

There are many interesting phenomena happening in every day life that don't have a sound physical explanation yet and still researchers insist going in to depths of the universe without any real way to verify their logical conclusions. I don't have anything against space research, but thinking about the structure of universe some Mparsecs away reminds me more of guess work rather than science.

As an example of everyday things that begs to be explained is sonoluminesence, where acoustic wave is changed to electromagnetic wave. However, no one has been able to give an explanation what causes it. More so, this would be important since it is easily verifiable, almost everyone can construct a setup by themselves and it doesn't require expensive systems to detect it. Further, the spectrum of the EM radiation pulse shows that the equivalent black body temperature might get close to 60 000 K in some reported cases. Also, this would probably be the best radiation point source known since the data about the emitting area would suggest that the radiation is coming from a sphere of approximative size of 1 µm. Even stranger, adding some gas in the fluid where this is happening might increase the emitted intensity over three decades. This kind of light source, if intense enough, would have practical uses in many different things.

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Re: I just realised something about astrophysics
However, I would have to caution you (Agent Koopa) from assuming that the Pauli Exclusion Principle applied at all to Dark Matter.  There are plenty of subatomic particles which could care less about sharing a common quantum state.  The Pauli principle only applies to fermions, not bosons.  Normal matter has lots of both.  Wiki does a decent job introducing the topic.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson

Thanks a lot! I was under the impression that the Exclusion Principle applied to all matter, probably because atoms include electrons and such. I typed my post while my internet appeared to be temporarily down and only restored itself when I had finished, (convenient, hm?) so I didn't get a chance to check Wikipedia. Since your post I've been skimming the related articles, but I have to say they're not very good, because I understood barely anything I haven't picked up from less-technical books!  :lol: I'm learning to accept that there are things that you need to take a class in before understanding.  :rolleyes:
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The perihelion of Mercury is hardly an anomaly--it's explained fully by special relativity. Same goes for guidance satellites. The GPS is adjusted to compensate for the effects of special relativity's predictions. Also, it's kind of a moot question why the laws of the universe are so, because they would be incredibly hard to discover and have very little bearing on our world.

I know that general relativity (not special btw; special relativity doesn't actually say anything about gravity) explains the perihelion of mercury.

It is an anomaly to classical, Newtonian physics, which works fine at low speeds and requires space to be euclidian and not curved like it really is. Which is what I tried to say, but the internal references in that particular sentence were a bit mixed up:

We just know that this stuff seems to work... as long as the space stays pleasantly eucleidean. If it doesn't, we start having anomalies like the perihelion of Mercury, guidance satellites throw us dozen kilometres off-target etc. etc.

"This stuff" was supposed to refer to Newtonian physics, but looking back to the text I can see that I wouldn't understand it that way even myself. My bad.

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Your explanation of dark matter makes no sense. Dark matter is simply matter we cannot see because it does not emit what we use to see it. It may consist of particles we do not know of yet, but it is otherwise ordinary matter. Even if, as you say, it does not physically interact with most matter (like neutrinos don't) they would, according to my admittedly limited worldview, still collapse to a point. If they are affected by gravity, then they will eventually "hit" each other and eventually cease movement, because even if they keep passing through one another they lose energy each time. If dark matter does not collide with other matter including itself, then it will form a point of very little volume indeed, whose infinitesimality is limited only by the Pauli exclusion principle.
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Herra, I have to agree with Agent Koopa for the moment.  If dark matter does not interact with itself or baryonic matter through strong nuclear or electromagnetic forces, there'd be even less to stop dark matter from collapsing into black holes than baryonic matter.

Well, weakly interactive massive particles (WIMPs, and I didn't make this up!) are just one possible candidate for dark matter. But if we consider how a cloud of WIMPs would behave, you must remember that it only interacts through weak interaction and gravity. That means that the most profound thing we tend to associate with matter is not there: you cannot touch dark matter. Touch is dealt solely via electromagnetic interaction, and if dark matter lacks it, it will be totally different from matter as we know it.

For example, if dark matter really consists of WIMPs, it really wouldn't concentrate on any kinds of blobs. The formation of mass concentrations requires that the particles can hit each other. Normal matter works like this - if you put a gas or dust cloud into space, it will start falling towards common center of gravity, and eventually particles start hitting a surface and larger and larger sphere forms etc. etc.

But what would happen if the particles can't touch each other? The answer is that they would simply fall through the center of gravity - not necessarily at the same time, mind you - and start oscillating at complex pattern around the cloud's center of gravity. There's nothing to stop them at the center of gravity. Of course it is possible for these particles to form an event horizon (black hole), but it's not as likely as you might think. It would only happen if sufficient amount of particles happened to fall into small enough area at the same time.

You can ask why won't neutrinos collapse into black holes. The universe is full of them and they do have a small mass. The answer is, there's no concentrations to collapse to, since they can't affect each other via electromagnetic interaction like most particles.


Anyway, weakly interacting massive particles are just one hypothetical solution to the problem of dark matter. Wiki has quite intereesting article about Dark Matter and it says about what I could say about the subject, so I'm going to quote a part of the possible explanations here:

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(...) to explain structure in the universe, it is necessary to invoke cold (non-relativistic) dark matter. Large masses, like galaxy-sized black holes can be ruled out on the basis of gravitational lensing data. Possibilities involving normal baryonic matter include brown dwarfs or perhaps small, dense chunks of heavy elements; such objects are known as massive compact halo objects, or "MACHOs". However, studies of big bang nucleosynthesis have convinced most scientists that baryonic matter such as MACHOs cannot be more than a small fraction of the total dark matter.

At present, the most common view is that dark matter is primarily non-baryonic, made of one or more elementary particles other than the usual electrons, protons, neutrons, and known neutrinos. The most commonly proposed particles are axions, sterile neutrinos, and WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles, including neutralinos). None of these are part of the standard model of particle physics, but they can arise in extensions to the standard model. Many supersymmetric models naturally give rise to stable WIMPs in the form of neutralinos. Heavy, sterile neutrinos exist in extensions to the standard model that explain the small neutrino mass through the seesaw mechanism.


Pauli's exclusion principle doesn't really concern sizes of particle concentrations, it just states that two fermions with same quantum properties cannot share the same space. But if there's different quantum properties involved, you can easily pack several particles to occupy same space. Simplest example of this is the electron shells of atoms. The electrons in the shell occupy the same space, but have slightly different quantum properties. Not that Pauli's exclusion principle would have anything to do with whether or not weakly interactive massive particles will/can form black holes. They can, but they won't do that automatically.


->Mika: Sorry, I don't really know that much of the actual methods of background radiation research. But the thing with background radiation is that it appears the same everywhere as far as I know. What little changes  perhaps are caused by the movement of the probe during the measurements, they would most likely be insignificant compared to the diameter of the observable universe.
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Re: I just realised something about astrophysics
IIRC (I probably don't) the Pauli Exclusion Principle has to do with the summing of superimposed quantum states. Two superimposed fermions sum to zero, meaning that the probability of them occupying the same space and time is zero. Two or more superimposed bosons sum to a nonzero number.

Or something like that. It's been a while since I read up on this stuff.
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The point about the background radiation is that it behaves as if it is from a source so far away that it is observed as being exactly the same from points that are huge distances apart (in other words, it shows no parallax), so that even if measurements are taken many years apart, the movement of the Earth (both around the Sun, and the movement due to the Sun's movement) has no effects on what is seen.








 

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Aha, It seems that I have forgotten parallax. For some reason I was thinking that it would actually show, but wait, it indeed does if there is a star which actually has a parallax within the field of view of the instrument. How is the effect of these objects negated? I would guess that the star would have a maximum of emission somewhere within the visible or UV region and this could be filtered out but still the wavelengths of the backround radiation would enter the instrument. But as Herra Tohtori [I could add here a seemingly smart comment about his nick but this could not be understood correctly at all if one is not familiar with the culture here, so I leave it out  :D] pointed out, this might explain some of the non-uniformities.

My next question would be that given that there is a large galactic halo which extends over the region we are located in, how can we be sure that we are actually measuring free space (pun intended) background radiation and not the galactic background radiation?

In case some one was wondering, yes I did skip basic astronomical courses in the first year - but I suspect I wouldn't remember them even if I had  :D

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Am I the only one lost after 4 posts?...

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Am I the only one lost after 4 posts?...



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Today I read something about two colliding galaxies, known as bullet galaxy or something like that, this seems to be the first direct confirmation of the existence of dark matter. To make long story short, in these photographs (not in visible range) the center of gravity of the galaxy seems to continue unaffected even though visible matter is slowed down. This result was from August 2006, and I have to say this is quite impressive display. Currently I cannot figure out any other reason what would cause this behavior, than dark matter.

However, I would still wait for confirmation in the laboratory, I still think it should be fairly easy to detect these particles in the experimental setups like Super Kamiokande that detect solar neutrinos. As far as I understand, the scattering cross section of the heavier dark matter particle should be larger than neutrino's (if understood correctly, they both feel the same forces), so we should be able to see them more.

Saturday night and I'm writing about this? Well at least I'm drunken... which might be even more pathetic.

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