[0rph3u5]

Hello,
I don't know if I'm right here but... let me post this anyway:

I'm in the need of having two one ships modelled (and textured) for a FS2-mod - name is "Workings of the Warp"...
The ships are   is a new super-destroyer, the SD Tzulan, and a new cruiser, the SC Qwor...

my first concept drawing are added to this post... (sry for their looks but I'm no artist)
more info on these will be provided...


and all to naturaly the credit for the models goes to the modeler...

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[diceman111]

The Tzulan looks like an Ravna

[Mobius]

Uhm call it SC Qwer

Uhm the destroyer is not...a destroyer. It's between a Superdestroyer and a Juggernaut...

[takashi]

that would be either SSD or SPD.

[0rph3u5]

SSD Tzulan than...

[Snail]

that would be either SSD or SPD.

No. An SPD is dedicated to planet destruction, so it's not a battleship. SSD is the appropriate specification.

[takashi]

take a look at the lucifer and tell me if its not even a little dedicated to planet destruction.

[Snail]

Well it's not SPD, it's SD [SSD more accurately, however]. The Lucy doesn't really seem to me as a 'dedicated' planet destroyer, more of a super-battleship to me. It could blow planets up but it can also kill destroyers. If you're saying that an SPD is anything that is capable of destroying (attacking?) a planet, I find it a little stupid as many things can blow planets up (including cruisers with beam cannons). I guess it could be classed as an SPD if it fits in with your point of view.

[takashi]

or mabye SSAPD? (shivan super all purpose destroyer)

but that sounds like something out of DEM.

[Snail]

SSD then.

Or else the Sathanas would be something like SJFMSNBCABUFBUS (Shivan Jug For Making SuperNovas But Can Also Be Used For Blowing Up Ships)

[Mobius]

I would classify it as a light Juggernaut, or a supercarrier(what do we knoe about it's load capacity?).

[Snail]

Doesn't exactly look like a Carrier.... Mmmh...

I'd stick with SSD.

[DavisOfTsurgi]

Mabye SASD? Shivan Advanced Super Destroyer?
SFS? (Shivan Flagship)

Realisticly though, lets look as some ships:
Name/length (approx)/class
GTVA Collossus  (sp)/6k/ Superdestroyer.
SJ Sath/5k/Juggernaut
GTCa Warlock/4.8k/supercarrier
GTD Hecate/2-3k/Destroyer
EASD Nemesis/5k/Superdestroyer
SPD Vindeshack (sp)/some obscene length/Planet destroyer.

So as we can see from this hastily-constructed table, the major difference is between Destroyer and Super-Destroyer. The only Difference IMHO between a SuperDest and a Juggernaut is Firepower and Armour, not size.

So depending on Armour, weapons, and importance in the campaign (Is is like a Sath? like a pawn that gets flown out every mission by the Shivans?) Because IMHO SuperDestroyers are more suited to the One-of-a-kind-blow-ya-head-off kind of ship as opposed to the Big-but-cheaply-mass-produced-in-china-but-still-blows-ya-head-off-though-not-as-well-as-the-other-kind-of-ship.

[takashi]

the NNGTVSAT (neo-neo-galatic-terran-vasudan-shivan-alliance-thing) disagrees.

superdestroyers are bigger, better, and more powerful. destroyers are smaller, weaker, and easily taken down by 2 wings of ursas.

[0rph3u5]

So depending on Armour, weapons, and importance in the campaign (Is is like a Sath? like a pawn that gets flown out every mission by the Shivans?) Because IMHO SuperDestroyers are more suited to the One-of-a-kind-blow-ya-head-off kind of ship as opposed to the Big-but-cheaply-mass-produced-in-china-but-still-blows-ya-head-off-though-not-as-well-as-the-other-kind-of-ship.

The Tzulan will be the "central ship" (maybe the flagship too) of the Shivan armada which crosses the GTVA space in "Workings of the Warp"; it bearly enters combat but if it does ... well, GTVA goes not manage to bring it down... but that will be rather since it will never operate alone (there will be three other destroyers and a whole fleet of cruiser guarding it)

It should not have as may guns as a sath... outlined are just three heavier beam cannons; one BFRed (Sath-arm-turret) in this "main gun pit" at the front and two LRed (Lilith-main-; Ravana-front-turrets), one at the rear above the engines and one on the upper side of the "hangar pod"
five smaller beam cannons (SRed) are outlined too: three at the middle of the "claws" around the "pit" and two to each side on the ships main body
- is that enough punch for a SSD?

[Snail]

It would be very cool if it had so many beams that it never stopped firing (like the Diablo, when one beam warms down, two more fire)

[Mobius]

Well, Orph3u5, the Inferno Lucifer can rely on 3 frontal BFReds. They are a bit exaggerated, who knows, but the firepower needed to bombard a planet isn't limited to beams like the LRed.

I have to say that this warship carries on with the Shivan philosophy. Since they don't pay too much attention of losses and defending all flanks of warships, they mount uber cannons on the front while we know that the GTVA has always tried to mount defensive armaments all over the hull of a ship(err there are some exceptions...).

[takashi]

give it its own custom beam type like axem did with the lamia. originality

[0rph3u5]

give it its own custom beam type like axem did with the lamia. originality

maybe .. but !warning spoiler!:
The Tzulan does have a lot of other goodies apart from ordinary beams --- the campaign is called "workings of the warp" for a reason you know

[Snail]

So it can rebuild/stabilize/collapse/sever/create jump nodes?