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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
Having a topic with the same name as the site at the bottom IMO wouldn't look good.  Now, renaming General FS discussion to Hard Light... maybe.

 

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How about changing 'The Pub' to 'Hard Light Pub'? or 'Hard Light Cafe'? or something like that, so that it's still 'Hard Light' but it's more than just the title of the site, so people won't think it's the main forum or something (even though it is :drevil:).
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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
That actually sounds like a plan... :)

 

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any chance some of us could get read only access to the scp internal? i think it would b4e rather educational for anyone whos trying to learn programming (me). unless what you do there is shrowded in secrecy and obscure ritual which would drive the average man mad. but im already wierd so i dont think there would be any harm in a little looksee.
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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
Well, I imagine they don't want ppl quoting from there to other boards... Imagine taka in there...

 

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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
this "more important stuff needs to be moved higher" mindset is totally wrong, you need to group things that are somewhat similar or tend to be acessed sequentially near each other. the forums which are accessed most should (generaly, news/announcements is a logical exception) be highest. in addition things should follow a hierarchical structure starting at most general and moving to most specalised, this way it takes just as long to get to one specalised thing as it does another.
in this structural philosophy the site/community things should be near the top (most general, most used), but be highly structured as to have a minimal footprint. the freespace stuff should be below, this will place it directly in the center of the screen idealy, the 'general' material should not be so large as to push the freespace material out of view. the current subdivision of FS isn't that bad but (mainly) modding needs to be a little more centralized and organized.
Hosted projects being the most specalised, least visited (individually), and most numerous front end forums should be on the bottom.
If you want to promote some aspect of the forums, the best way to do that it to do just that, promote them, make more announcements/highlights, maybe advertise off site. breaking the forum's flow in some misguided effort to make them 'seem' more 'important' is just only going to backfire because a forum which is disjointed and unorganized is a forum people don't want to use. I know I've hardly used the forums since the change and my projects have suffered. it's all because everything is scattered and I have to go all over the place to find anything.

also I'd like to keep our general discussion forum named "Hard Light" it's been like that sence day one and connotes more of a community vibe, and I'm a sentimental tradition loving person. but it's not realy that important, just a more or less minor personal preference.

*General*

- News & Announcements
 
- Discussion (Hard Light)
-- Art
-- Gameing
-- Tech
-- The Meeting Hall (should be visible, as a subforum it's footprint will be small to those who don't care for it)
--- religion/politics (third tier subforum it's exsistance wouldn't even show up on the main index, figured there'd be enough of these to warent a subforum)
-- Thread Hell (alternative to locking/deleting, like the rift in WS allow people to make spam and say/do anything they want so-long as it isn't illegal. this allows heated arguments to peater out without disrupting general discussion. do not move things en mass as soon as you make it, just from now on if a thread gets (or continues to be) stupid/pointless/unresolvable move it here, be cautious about moving them there for the first few weeks untill everyone adjusts to the change)
-- The Classics
(**note** the above block is all subforums of Discussion/Hard Light, the *General* catagory only has three top level forums in it, this should place *Freespace* (or it's top level forums) right in the middle of the screen)

- Support
-- Feedback (visible to everyone)
-- Hosted Support



*Freespace*

-General

-Multi-Player

-FS wiki

-SCP
--its current subforums

-Modding (placeing this at the bottom will make it more visable, rather than being second or third with stuff above and below, it'll be the biggest forum and have a table break right below it, this does sort of break the general pattern though, so under general freespace may be a better choice)
--Finished Releases (maybe only allow some people to post topics here to ensure a good signal to noise ratio)
--Fredding (primaraly focused on missions)
---Campaigns
---Voice Acting
--Modeling
--Scripting
--FSU (might be better in hosted)
---FreeSpace Campaign Restoration Project



*Hosted*

-all current projects

-Dead Projects (forums here should all have a thread in them explaining who and how to get in contact with the origonater for the purpose of reviving said project if posable.)



what I think what would help out modding the most, however, is more of a content/service oriented main site. this is what built this community, sites like DC and PFS that had mod/mission databases and gave aspiring new modders a place to send there works, a screen shot of the day, tutorials, reviews, a tool download data base, that is what we need more than more efechent forums (note I'm not saying the forums should be left in there current state). but we need to make the process more automated, that was there downfall they relied on admin's continued enthusiasm too much, I think the admin responsibilities for our content should require no more than an approval to make sure someone doesn't start uploading warez and porn.
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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
How about making sure HL isn't a thread that people shy away from?  (like me)  You click on it, your eyebrows raise at a few of the titles, you quickly scroll down through the forum "nope, nothing here" and leave it.  The topics you are interested in are infested with trolls.  :ick:  I don't mind having one gen disc labeled "Hard Light", but things should never degenerate into shouting matches.  My 2c worth.

 

Offline Nuke

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i say we bring back the torrent tracker and make it more open. it would really save on bandwidth for mods/tools distribution and the like. it would just have to be moderated so its not misused. not everyone in the community can donate cash and can instead help free up some bandwidth usage by seeding torrents.

i like the heirarchical board system idea. for moding id have the general modding thread be the main board, then stick sub boards for scripting, modeling and textures, campaigns and fred, and maybe add a mod release thread. all the sub boards would be skill oriented and have the primary focus of sharing techniques and solving problems. the general thread is primarily for showing of wip projects, discussing possibilities for new mods. and of course release related information goes on the release board. you could probibly set it up where the threads on the release board can be hotlinked to the main page as hilights.
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i say we bring back the torrent tracker and make it more open. it would really save on bandwidth for mods/tools distribution and the like. it would just have to be moderated so its not misused. not everyone in the community can donate cash and can instead help free up some bandwidth usage by seeding torrents.
A tracker was reinstalled after public hosted project downloads were denied due to bandwidth limitations, yet it wasn't used even once. If requesting uploading rights is too much hassle for moderation, too bad.

 

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Heh this would have been handy for my torrent... :(  I prolly would get a bit more support than I'm getting from isohunt on the issue of the name not coming up unless you search "FreeSpaceSCPDVD" <- who in the world would guess that?  FreeSpace is part of the name, but if you search FreeSpace, it doesn't come up.  Oh well.  Next time, Huggybaby will tell me what to do... he knows a lot more than I do on that.  :D

 

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well the problem with the tracker was that it was made right after a buch of stuff got released, so nothing else needed it for a long while.
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Re: Forum Index Layout Question
I only really lurk here, as my origional intention was to keep up to date with the SCP, however I did find the debates and such in the old Hard Light forum interesting. When that forum was split - and the interesting half hidden - I found out that it was actually the off topic forum that was keeping me here and not the SCP; this is the first time I've been back since.

You could just say "ask for permission to get into the other bit then!" and I could, but concentrating on me would be missing the point - people are ignorant and lazy. Of the newcomers that do find the pub, and then find out about the meeting hall (I know it's in plain sight in the description, but how many people read in this day and age?), most of them will be too lazy to ask for permission to get in. They don't know what they are missing you see. Maybe I'm underestimating the human race...

At the very least, I ask that you make the meeting hall visible to everyone. I would prefer that the pub and meeting hall be merged and perhaps moved above the hosted projects though.

 

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At the very least, I ask that you make the meeting hall visible to everyone. I would prefer that the pub and meeting hall be merged and perhaps moved above the hosted projects though.

Gooby doesn't know if it's possible; he's trying.  Read-only access was AFAIK all that was wanted anyways, then request to post in there.  But apparently it's not (yet) possible to make it viewable, but not editable unless an admin lets you in...

 

Offline Grey Wolf

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Discussion should be "Hard Light". That's what it was since the beginning, there's no good reason to have changed it to "The Pub".
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How about having all discussion board named "Hard Light", and have child boards under it for "The Pub", "The Meeting Hall", "The Classics", and if necessary, "The Padded Cell"?  In other words, rename "Off Topic" to "Hard Light"?

 

Offline Grey Wolf

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I think the traditional setup was for both the category and the main discussion board to be named Hard Light, with the other board in the category being Hard Light Art. Given the current setup, I'd say you'd put the debate board in there as well, though I really think the archived threads should really be off by themselves.
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Well the only problem that I can see is this:
new user b:
"Hmm, what's this?  'Bringing Modders Together', interesting... Hard Light Productions... I'm curious.  Ah, here we are, Hard Light thread, that'll be it.  What's this?"  *click*
some crazed Hard Light user:
"Bwah-hahahahaha!  All you base are belong to us!"



 

Offline Grey Wolf

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Never stopped it from working properly for six years.
You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -George Bernard Shaw

 

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Well you must admit, quite a few of the threads were getting bad...

 

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I always considered it a trial by fire, like a lesser version of the Rift at Warpstorm.
You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -George Bernard Shaw