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Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
If the only source of light is electric (which sometimes it isn't), then you've got that, too.  Hitting targets is hard in a dark room.  But I'm not sure of the wisdom of trying that.  But it beats waiting your turn in line...

 

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For those that missed it: Asshole alert!!!

 
Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
And i bet someone goes talking about how bad the muslims are... (no idea what they have to do with this, but it will happen anyway)

My condulances to everyone involved.

And jack thompson... this has nothing to do with computer games! that kid was being ignored by almost everyone on the university! (wich is one of the most painfull way's of ... bullying... (whats the right word for this?))
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Hmm, well "Super Columbine Massacre" sounds like a good game to check out, I think I'll go get it now.  Oh, I'll be taking classes at your university next week, too.

Really, though:

I don't agree with everything he says, but can anyone point out an inaccuracy in what this guy said?  I mean, let's not blame violent video games, but if someone is obsessed with them, as well as displaying odd behavior, so much that the teacher asked him to go for treatment, you'd think you'd be able to put 2 and 2 together.  Not necessarily, but if you get enough warning flags pop up, use your head, that's what it's there for.  In other words, video games are not the cause, but rather a symptom.  Not that they are indicative, unless obsession with them, and odd behavior is noticed as well.

Can you follow my train of thought?  I mean, I'm for hunting rights, I wouldn't mind hunting.  But if someone were to go out and become obsessed with killing animals, just reveling in doing so, wouldn't that cause you to perhaps take a closer look and see if other patterns might exist, and if they do, to notify authorities, as well as encourage said person to get help?

 

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Can you follow my train of thought?  I mean, I'm for hunting rights, I wouldn't mind hunting.  But if someone were to go out and become obsessed with killing animals, just reveling in doing so, wouldn't that cause you to perhaps take a closer look and see if other patterns might exist, and if they do, to notify authorities, as well as encourage said person to get help?

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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Well it got pretty big headlines even here in sweden, horrific is the word id use and also awful for all of those involved, but something tell me that they are going to make this into that it was computer games that gave him the ide to kill those people or something so now the moral drums will thunder in america I just hope they dont forget that you dont just get the idea of gunning down your classmates from playing computer games if you do that you have a few more screws loose.

And then again I havent been to the US but is it really that easy to buy a handgun as to walk into a store and buy one if your 21?



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?  I'm not familiar with this (Dexter); can someone fill me in?

 

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?  I'm not familiar with this (Dexter); can someone fill me in?

I linked it for you..... :confused:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=3052278

This gets worse and worse. Who ever let this guy go was an idiot. Really, this looks like Columbine all over again.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

Some minor details of his manifesto.

Some tidbits:

""You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people.""

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"He refers to "martyrs like Eric and Dylan" — a reference to the teenage killers in the Columbine High massacre."


This guy was a real looney.

By the way, it's interesting that the cell phone camera videos of that day are already on Youtube and Collegehumor. If you really want to look at them, go ahead, but I won't post the links (I didn't watch them myself).

 

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Something tells me things would have been a little bit different had this not been a gun-free zone. All the recent shootings before this were stopped before they got really bad by good people with a concealed carry permit because they were not gun-free zones. Unfortunate, to say the least.

 

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He bought the gun legally, which is the really sad thing. It shows that super lax gun laws cause problems like this. If there was a law where a person had to go through a psychiatric profile before they bought a gun, then this might've not happened.

  

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*sigh* That's going too far. This is not a gun issue, this is a issue of identifying him as a pyscho, which apparently they did, but failed to act on it.

 

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And then again I havent been to the US but is it really that easy to buy a handgun as to walk into a store and buy one if your 21?

There are background checks and waiting lists, at least in the fashion he purchased his weapons. (This is not always the case.) They are essentially intended to ensure you are not a criminal and that you have a week or four to think it over rather than going out, buying a gun, and using it on someone when you get home.

I have to agree with Deepblue, a pysch eval specifically for this purpose is too much to ask, but if there happens to be one handy out there then I would hope that might get mentioned.

The problem here is that he was that rare combination of crazy enough to actually do this, but sane enough to avoid being identified and stopped beforehand and sane enough to plan it out, prepare for it, and do it right. (Crummy wording on that last, but a better one did not occur to me.)
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So.. I've fired real handguns before, and something like Doom or GTA "training" me is a bit of a stretch. I've played a fair amount of first person shooters, but in no way did they "prepare" me for the real thing. Psychologically, I think paintball or airsoft is a better form of desensitization since they'd actually give me an adrenaline rush as opposed to a video game.  :rolleyes:
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Don't forget Dodgeball.

 

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Still uncalled for.  >:-|  what the heck are you thinking?  I'm of the opinion that 9/11 was a needed wake up call, but I didn't post somewheres about radical Islamics joining the jihad.  Think, then post.

let it be known that i fully support homicidal madmen. they are a reflection of the evil lying dormant in all humans. we blow off every massacre that occures throughout the world and then freak out when it happens to us. giving it a day and a half of thought and i still woulda said the same damn thing. mankind is **** and only global nuclear holocaust has any hope of forcing it to grow up.
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oops double post
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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So you think the only way to wake people up is for them to be forced to see the evil lying dormant in all of us?  You can lead a horse to water... they will always have an excuse; they will always justify themselves.  Change can only be done by God, one heart at a time, and only if they will let Him.  Sure, aweful events like this can sometimes bring a person to seek for answers, but it can just as easily make them even more jaded and angry.