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Offline Mongoose

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Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
Letting people know the "reason" that he had and plastering his image/voice all over the news 24 hours a day are two mutually exclusive objectives.  Like the one NBC spokesman said, showing it once when it breaks is one thing, but continuing to show it over and over amounts to nothing more than macabre pornography.  I don't know anyone personally involved with this whole horrible tragedy myself, but even I felt sickened by staring at those pictures of him.  Like the students' parents said, let's try to take a memory of life and hope out of this, not one of a sickeningly sub-human psychopath.

 

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They're being berated by the other networks because they didn't get his package.

 

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This is some bad ****.

 

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ive sold guns in the united states before (used to work in a pawn shop). you cannot buy a gun with anything less than 3 pieces of identification, a brady form, and a phone call to the fbi. sure there are other ways to circumvent, small time weapon dealers, theft, ect. that pawn shot i worked for was rather shady but the feds were rather good at enforcing the gun laws. ant they probibly woulda fired us for selling a gun under the table.

Are you sure thats not just Alaska law? Ive known people aquiring arms around here (Michigan) much easier.

And I couldent help but notice this when seeing Cho's hammer pic.







that was arizona law actually, was living in phoenix at the time. anyway phoenix is one of the most gun happy places ive ever lived. i think i was the only person at that pawn shop who didnt own a firearm, my brother owned one and had a concealed permit.  and it was quite common to see people wearing guns in public. anyway the brady act is in federal law, the forms have to be sent to the fbi, they can read off over the phone to get autorization to sell immediately. i think the way it works  is that if you have a file with the fbi, you usually have to wait 2 weeks for them to autorize or deny the transaction, if youre clean they will autorize an immediate transaction.

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Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
The guy got what he wanted... celebrity suicide in a blaze of glory. With everyone pretending to be sad about a few dozen deaths and fuming about how bad a person he was. When's the movie coming out?

 

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2010 give or take.
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070502-student-creates-counter-strike-map-gets-kicked-out-of-school.html

So, if I create a CS map that looks like the Knesset and secret it away on Olmert's gaming rig, can I get him kicked out of office? :D
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Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
  :eek::lol: :eek:

 :rolleyes:

Man... I better watch myself... I make maps of my school/hometown all the time...

 

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The guy got what he wanted... celebrity suicide in a blaze of glory. With everyone pretending to be sad about a few dozen deaths and fuming about how bad a person he was. When's the movie coming out?

Hit the nail on the head right there. A few people die every second from natural and unnatural causes, I dont mean to be cold but what makes these 30-so people special? Our school had 30 seconds of silence for all those killed, but if we did the same for WTC we would be silent for around an hour, and if we did the same for every person that dies of unnatural causes we would be constantly silent!! because more than one dies every second!

Whenever people get all worked up about the death of people they have no personal connection to I really feel like shouting some perspective into them. Even WTC is nothing to cry about. At least 2000 people died from a terrorist attack over the course of a day. Far more than 2000 people die of AIDS in Africa over the course of a day, and no average American cries about that. I find it irrational since the average American is just as disconnected from 2000 random New Yorkers and 2000 Africans, unless you bring race into play, but I digress.
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It's not just the dying that's the issue. It's that those people were slaughtered unexpectedly by a psychopathic killer. That is a big shock to anyone close to them. I admit that it didn't bother me much, since it did happen on the other side of the world. But had it happened in my home town, I might have shed a tear or two.

You fail to see the difference in someone dying from something like AIDS (death to be expected), and people dying a sudden violent death.
And it did happen in an area where unexpected violent deaths are uncommon and people are not used tot hem. When these kinds of things should not even happen, outrage is to be expected.

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What makes a sudden, voilent death worse than a normal death (or a miserable, slow decline into death with AIDS)? Death is horrible no matter if its expected or not. and what difference does area make? It does make a difference for people, I'm arguing that it shouldent.

Clarification Edit: I mean the area and means by which someone dies shouldent make their death any more or less tragic. Loss of life is the main point, how they lose it is only a sidenote.
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I see your point, KappaWing, I've wondered about it myself.  eg, the tsunami... vs. Katrina.

 
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Personally, I don't care. I don't see a need to get depressed or worked up about things like this, and although people sometimes talk about how traumatized/shocked they are after events such as this (like Sept. 11th in particular), as far as I can tell, they're not loosing sleep over it, just conforming.

And about that whole AIDs/psycho killer conundrum, I'd rather get shot and get it over with than have to live months more with a deadly disease. And several dozen people are blown up in Baghdad every day and I've hardly seeen anyone care at all, killing doesn't just happen in America.

 

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Re: anyone watching this? (Virginia Tech shootings)
With all due respect to Mustang/Kappa, I think it's completely natural and appropriate to have this sort of reaction to incidents like this.  As horrible and ravishing a disease as the AIDS epidemic is, it's become a fact of life in today's world; we all realize, and even to some degree accept, that there will be millions of deaths caused by it every year in developing countries.  Even though there are a lot of people fighting very hard to change this, it's part of our daily experience about how the world works.

In contrast, when you have an incident where over 30 college students and professors are gunned down in cold blood in the middle of classes, or when thousands of ordinary businesspeople are killed in one horrific swoop, you can't help but be rather shocked and stunned.  Like Mustang alluded to, that sort of thing doesn't (one might even say "isn't supposed to") happen on a daily, or even yearly basis, especially not in a country like the United States.  It's so far out of our daily way of thinking, we almost can't even comprehend it.  There's also the issue of being able to relate to the victims much more deeply when a tragedy happens closer to home.  When I see pictures of people suffering from AIDS in Ethiopia, I may feel for them, but all they're really able to represent to me are faces living half a planet away.  In contrast, as a college student, I look at the people who died at VT and see people who could have been sitting next to me in class today...or hell, even my own face.  The same is true for a lot of people in the case of 9/11.  It may seem like a double-standard to some, and by some definitions it is, but it's also the natural way that we as human beings operate.

 

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Good point Mongoose, I think that way about the event itself. The event of 9/11 is certainly more shocking-therefore-horrific than the event of AIDS, simply because the event of AIDS is a constant, everyday thing, has been going on for a long time, and is distant in that you cant relate to the people afflicted, etc. etc.

I just choose not to think about the deaths themselves that way, and thats where we differ I think.  :):yes:
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