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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
I'm actually tempted to buy my brother's old 19" CRT off him just so I can hook it up and play things in 3D. I probably won't, mainly because I don't have a regular VGA port anymore, but that's how cool it is. :)
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
you know you can buy autostereoscopic flat panels. theyre expensive and they use interlacing but theres no glasses required. just be sure youre running nvidia, i dont think ati supports stereo of any kind.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
you know you can buy autostereoscopic flat panels. theyre expensive and they use interlacing but theres no glasses required. just be sure youre running nvidia, i dont think ati supports stereo of any kind.
Did you see a price on a 17" monitor? IIRC it's at ~$1000 with a 16ms response, low contrast ratio, weighing about the same as a 17" CRT.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
im gonna put stereoscopy on the shelf for now. best results are with 2 vid cards, 2 projectors + polarized filters and glasses. my brother used to set up av equip in a hospital and showed me the setup. they were used mainly so that doctors could view mri scans in actual 3d for both surgical planning and also to educate the interns.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
The other thing you could do is have a good resolution projector that can do a high hertz at a decent resolution; 75hz at 1024x768, PAL video (NTSC is interlaced; half-resolution vertically). A normal CRT monitor would be great; a CRT does best. You can buy digital glasses so you only need 1 monitor/projector/graphics card.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
I need to get one of those stereo glasses at some point. I've always wanted to give those a try, but didn't know they were that cheap. I can use them with my existing monitor, which does 140hz at a respectable 1280x960.

The projector thing doesn't seem like such a practical idea though. LCD projectors don't refresh fast enough while DLP ones all have that rainbow effect unless you shell out $20000 for a three chip model.

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im gonna put stereoscopy on the shelf for now. best results are with 2 vid cards, 2 projectors + polarized filters and glasses. my brother used to set up av equip in a hospital and showed me the setup. they were used mainly so that doctors could view mri scans in actual 3d for both surgical planning and also to educate the interns.

They had a stereo vision setup where I used to work for viewing molecular dynamics simulations, although it was basically a small room with wall-to-wall LCDs on all six sides. It looked great and reacted to your movements around the room, although it only refreshed at something like 15fps and made many people dizzy quickly. :p

 

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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
another idea i came up with is whats called a stereo box, you find 2 lcd screens, exactly the same native res and size. then you make a box. cut a screen size hole in the front. on the back and side of that box you mount the lcd screens. then you insert a 2-way mirror diagonally between the corners of the box with a screen on each side. your box needs to be perfectly square and your screens aligned. you need cross-polarized glass in front of the screens as well. hook the monitors up on a dual head vid card or pair of vid cards. the nividia drivers should support this setup natively without any other drivers. you might need to tweak the brightness individually to get the left eye right eye balence right. again youl need cross-polarized glasses.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
I need to get one of those stereo glasses at some point. I've always wanted to give those a try, but didn't know they were that cheap. I can use them with my existing monitor, which does 140hz at a respectable 1280x960.

The projector thing doesn't seem like such a practical idea though. LCD projectors don't refresh fast enough while DLP ones all have that rainbow effect unless you shell out $20000 for a three chip model.

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im gonna put stereoscopy on the shelf for now. best results are with 2 vid cards, 2 projectors + polarized filters and glasses. my brother used to set up av equip in a hospital and showed me the setup. they were used mainly so that doctors could view mri scans in actual 3d for both surgical planning and also to educate the interns.

They had a stereo vision setup where I used to work for viewing molecular dynamics simulations, although it was basically a small room with wall-to-wall LCDs on all six sides. It looked great and reacted to your movements around the room, although it only refreshed at something like 15fps and made many people dizzy quickly. :p
You can get away with a $1000 projector if 3D is more important than uber-resolution. Most projectors can do over 70hz at 10x7



Nuke; interesting setup.... can you make a diagram because I Don't quite understand that setup.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
I will say this, waiting for the 'Next Big Thing' is a waste of time in my experience. I'm upgrading my rig soon as well, but I'll probs go for the Core 2 Duo 6600's if that's all that is available and affordable.

The thing is, and I've done it myself, you put off buying things because the 'Next Gen' is only a few months away, then, in a few months, the 'Next Gen' comes out, and not only does it have its own problems that need solving, but there's already another generation of tech on the Horizon.

I tend to find it's best just to get whats available at the time, or you'll be hanging on better stuff for the rest of your life ;)

 

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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
Nuke; interesting setup.... can you make a diagram because I Don't quite understand that setup.

it just so happens i modelled the thing in max, see the shots.

this setup projects the left and right screens simultaniously through the same view port. so no need to have supoer refresh. sli would probibly help though, because you will need to draw both screens simultaniously. the way polarized filters work is if you shine light through horizontal filter and a vertical filter, you cant see a thing, but if you shine the light through 2 like filters, light will pass through. without the glasses you will see both images perfectluy overlayed, but with the filters you only can see one screen with one eye and the other with screen the other eye. this essentially does the same thing you get using polarized filters with a pair of projectors.

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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
Interesting, if I had the time and money, I'd love to experiment with this stuff.
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heh, i just realized that one of those displayes would essentailly be backwards. there needs to be a software or hardware means of fliping the side screen's image so that it displays correctly.
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Re: its that time again, buildin' a new rig
heh, i just realized that one of those displayes would essentailly be backwards. there needs to be a software or hardware means of fliping the side screen's image so that it displays correctly.
In flight sims, 3D cockpits are what are driving the entire 3D idea; many people will try to afford a 3D display just to play/train flight sims. You can look around at sights for MS FlightSim 9 or 10 and they will have some interesting things; little devices that swap video when its not supported and some cool stuff like the 3D glasses. Also, newegg has the glasses.
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i think the nvidia stereo drivers can flip it. but then again they need to update the things for the 8800 line, i dont think the old ones will work at all. they did finally update the 8800 drivers and i bet the stereo drivers are doe for an update as well. i jusy hope they dont cut support for diy setups like stereo boxes and anaglyphs.
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so i have some money now, but when i went to go buy my case, i find that its not on newegg anymore. i decided against the antec 900 and to get that jet engine of a case but they only have it in silver and dont have the black one anymore. so now im gonna need to pick a different case. grrrr!
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Meh, the jet turbine one looked silly anyways.
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perhaps. i have till monday to pick out a differenct case. its looking like il have to cut some corners on this thing. probibly stick with 2 gigs of ram for now, and drop to the 6700 dual core which actually gets better performance for most programs. but who knows i might be able to wing it.
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yep, ordered the first batch of parts today. case, psu ,hard drive, dvd drive, and an extra fan for good measure. now im out of money, and will enjoy the next 2 weeks of eating nothing but oodles of noodles and steamed rice. :D
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Which case did you end up deciding on?
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