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Offline Commander Zane

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
Yeah, and let hostile ships come out of nowhere and blast you before you have enough time to slow time back down to normal... :doubt:
Want to test me on that? Trust me, I've been through that...

 

Offline jr2

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
You just need something that turns time compression to 1x when hostiles show up.

 

Offline karajorma

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
Exactly. It's not hard to avoid the boring bits. Just sloppy game design that it doesn't.
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Offline S-99

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
Starwraith doesn't look too bad, for the bad textures, it looks like it has some nice flashy affects. Other than that i scored a copy of x3 the reunion, after reviewing x1 and x2, while both of those seem interesting, only x3 has an actual story line. I read the whole story on wikipedia, and man that looks like a long game. Of course i'm still reluctant to install it, at least x3 seems like an interesting trade empire space game, i wonder if the controls are playably fun.
Anyway what was that other space sim that featured bruce campbell one-liners all the time? It was older, but it had nice ship models.

That's also another thing. How come with space sims people need to get oogly eyed complicated and make it so big and grand. The fs series reminds me about how simplistic an fps is while x3 and freelancer and other similar games try to get too big. Quite frankly i don't care about exploring all that space huge ass space. Space is what space is, huge and spread out with nothing in between whatever celestial bodies are out there.
Every pilot's goal is to rise up in the ranks and go beyond their purpose to a place of command on a very big ship. Like the colossus; to baseball bat everyone.

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Offline karajorma

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Actually you raise a good point. If you play an FPS there's almost always a path you're meant to follow through the game. You don't see many open ended FPS games where you're dropped in a ruined city and allowed to go into every building you want even if that doesn't progress the storyline at all.

So why do space sims insist on doing it?
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Offline Commander Zane

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Because one: I don't think the gaming community would give two craps about a Fallout-style FPS game. (To answer karajorma's question about FPS games)
And two: The reason why companies insist on making space simulators where you can do whatever the hell you want is because there's very serious space dudes (Like me) who like to experiement. Can you conquer all of space, have a military space station and gianormus fleet patrolling every point of the known universe on FreeSpace? Don't think so. That's one thing I like about X3: Reunion so much, I can do ANYTHING I like WHEN I feel like it. I LOVE exploring the vast void of space, encountering other dudes (Friendly or hostile) along the way, and eventually claiming it as my own. ;7
And as for what S-99 was saying, the X3: Reunion storyline is actually shorter than you'd expect.
And that "other space sim that featured Bruce Campbell one-liners" is Tachyon: The Fringe. And yes, those ship models (Especially GalSpan) are VERY nice.

 

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
The game that got me into PC gaming in the first place was the great STAR WARS X-Wing Starfighter, still love all the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games.

BTW - I case you guys didn't know, there is pretty big mod scene for X-wing Alliance, greatly improved models, total conversion, ect...
http://www.xwaupgrade.com/
http://www.darksaber.gaylenol.com/
http://www.xwingalliance.net/linksxwa.html

I really enjoyed Tachyon too. (remember that crazy guy with the roof of the Sistine Chapel floating space, LOL)

I have not seen it mentioned yet in this thread, has anybody tried Darkstar One? (I have it but I have not tried it yet)

It got a "Great" Rating over at gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/darkstarone/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

Looks nice:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/225/reviews/930194_20060814_screen012.jpg

They say you can kinda morph your ship into whatever type you want and stuff...

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Offline CKid

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I played the demo of DarkStar One. It was pretty good but you need a very good processer to play it.
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Offline karajorma

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Darkstar One had all kinds of graphics problems for me. One day I'll bother to sort them out but for now I can't be arsed.

Because one: I don't think the gaming community would give two craps about a Fallout-style FPS game. (To answer karajorma's question about FPS games)


A lot of space sim fans don't want to fly around and do everything too. Which is kinda my point.

Space sims at the moment are almost 100% open ended. The problem with that is that they tend to suffer from a tight gameplay point of view as a result. Now some people like that. But why do the game companies seem to believe that everyone who likes space sims does?
Karajorma's Freespace FAQ. It's almost like asking me yourself.

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Offline Commander Zane

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I very personally like being able to veer off course on the main storyline and do other things. It just makes it more worth playing. Now I'd say the same thing about FreeSpace if you could just pop into a capital ship and start flying it and control specific turrets and such, but you can't. I know you can FRED a mission so you fly one but it's buggy as hell. You normally can't do that on Freelancer unless you have a mod for it, same with Independence War II.

And Darkstar One is fun. I've played it a bit even though it's close to unplayable on this system. :rolleyes:

 

Offline Gestalt

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I really enjoyed both Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance and MW: Mercs, but they both suffered from the same problem: a painfully short single player campaign (and a bit too easy). The multiplayer options left me cold (football in mechs?), but fortunately the modders have provided Co-op versions of the campaigns for both games.
http://www.fileplanet.com/48420/0/section/MechWarrior-Series (check the subsection for the version you have).
Co-op Mechwarrior is just about the greatest LAN experience ever.

Independance War 2 does not get nearly enough credit, in my opinion. The graphics are kind of bleah, and I agree that the Storm Petrel should not be able to take out cap ships. The physics model can make for some *very* fancy flying. I wound up remapping engine kill to my joystick for fast access and promptly sat down to mastering a radial version of the corkscrew. The flight system can take a bit of getting used to, but once you're comfortable with it you can pull off maneuvers that just aren't possible in other games. Fans of space sims should be warned: this is NOT a fighter sim. You are not flying a fighter or interceptor class vessel, and you never will. The mechanics of flying a light corvette (which is what the storm petrel is, for all intents and purposes) are very different from what we see in most space games.

The main thing I appreciated about IW2 was the completeness of the ship systems. Your ship is not part of a fleet, does not have a tech crew ready to refit it when you land, and doesn't have a full com deck waiting on the bridge of a capital ship to map your jump locations and objectives for you. The ship is designed as a self-operating, self-directing entity, and as such you have to do almost everything yourself. I really liked the hat menu and the wealth of information and options it allowed you to access. I think it did a good job of presenting the feeling that you were in full command of your vessel.

Freelancer isn't a space flight game so much as it is Diablo in space. The campaign was great, the combat was satisfying, but it lacked the depth that I look for in this genre.

Starlancer, on the other hand, was a pretty conventional  spacer. You had mission structure, clear objectives, etc.... most of what we take for granted from the genre. The main complaint I have with it is the ease of combat. The auto-target functions are just too powerful, too accurate, to the point that if you're facing in the vague direction of your target and pull the trigger you can expect a kill.

General fans of the genre might want to at least take a look at some of the more hardcore sims. The Jane's series is as far from "arcadey" as it gets. A fair warning is in order: this series ranges from quite a bit more difficult than the average spacer to downright brutal. If mastering a takeoff sequence that requires 20 manual operations (system checks, flaps, vectoring, etc) sounds like your idea of a good time, look no further. Combat can be incredibly hard: even lining up a decent shot can be a challenge. I find all this complexity and difficulty very rewarding, as it makes each kill feel like a real accomplishment. Folks looking to grab the joystick and settle in for some quick kills may find it more frustrating than fun, however.

 

Offline ShivanSpS

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As i say before... sometimes when playing Freelancer too late at the night, i get sleep even while i was in the midle of a fight! after finish the main campaign is too boring and non sense...

Starlancer was good, but too easy, is not even closer to match Freespace.

the "X" series are another thing... is like an "offline MMORPG"... is too good in what things you can do, but the combat is a little boring... is too far from the action and fun of Freespace... in my opinion, a person (if have time), can play both "X" and Freespace at the time...

 

Offline Commander Zane

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If you want to play a flight simulator that does that "20 sequence take-off" play Lock-on.

 

Offline Dysko

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And if you want to play a space simulator which has the "20 sequence take-off", download Orbiter (http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html). It's freeware and has lot of mods, and the last version has beautiful hi-res textures.
It features fully newtonian physics: if you set the options to maximum realism, your flight path will be influenced not only by the engines, but also by thrusters and gravitational anomalies generated by non-spherical celestial bodies.
The learning curve is a bit steep, but is fun.
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Hey if we are gonna mention Flight Sims, take a look at my favorite, Fighter Squadron: Screamin' Demons Over Europe (SDOE).

Kinda sucky straight out of the box, but once again Mods (some created by yours truly ;)) by the community have really made the sim into a really good and fun game.

A really good blend of flight sim/video game.

and the WWI Conversion is considered to be among the best of WWI Sims (nuthin' but stick, rudder and a trigger baby  :pimp:)

you can check it out at www.openplanesim.com

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Offline Dysko

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Since the first time you posted here and linked to the Fighter Squadron forum, I tried to get it in every way possible.
And I haven't succeeded. :(
I can't find it anywhere, when I found it on Ebay the seller didn't accept my payment method, and the... ehm... "alternative way" has been blocked for months since no one has the remaining 20 MB. :(
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Offline Dysko

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After our Ebay experience (which has been much more problematic than I explained) my father doesn't want me to receive software/hardware via mail.
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Offline Davros

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Davros totally agrees with Gestalt regarding Independance War 2

enjoy Gestalt
http://media.putfile.com/IWar

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Offline jr2

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Re: if you like Freespace 2 then you'll like...
After our Ebay experience (which has been much more problematic than I explained) my father doesn't want me to receive software/hardware via mail.

I've built three compys off of online parts... and have learned.  Only buy from ppl with rock solid reputations, also, never buy refurbished stuff unless it's still got a lifetime warranty from the manufacturer.  (I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but it's still risky to buy refurbished stuff when it's only warrantied for 30-90 days by the person that sold it.)

So, for Amazon or eBay, look at the ratings.  If it's 500+ ratings, 97% or more positive, I'd say :yes: , as long as it is either new, or still warranted through the manufacturer for life (or a year, perhaps... depends.)

But buying software is usually pretty safe.. just be sure you're buying actual software, not a cover, and that all disks are included, along with CD keys if applicable.  And, the ratings stuff applies here as well.