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Offline kane544

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Do you guys think that Wing Commander Fighters could tangle with Freespace 2 Fighters?

 

Offline jr2

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Hrm... make a mod and find out!  :lol:

 
 

Offline karajorma

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If you have both FS2 and WCS it's relatively easy to move the ships from one into the other and let them fight it out.
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Offline jr2

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Go read karajorma's FAQ and the FSWiki - topic FRED.

 

Offline karajorma

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You'd also want to read the modding sections. All you really need is tabling though.
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Offline Alan Bolte

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You're all assuming that the WC fighters have been given weapons and shield values that in any way correspond with the differences between the two universes as implied by the fluff. If memory serves, Freespace should win.
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Offline Tolwyn

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You're all assuming that the WC fighters have been given weapons and shield values that in any way correspond with the differences between the two universes as implied by the fluff. If memory serves, Freespace should win.

I doubt it, because WC fighter have a different afterburner system and more deadly and precise missiles :)
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Offline karajorma

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Can universe A beat universe B debates are generally pretty stupid because the rules that make both sci-fi universes work are generally different.


That said if you're going to continue I'll point out that even the weaker FS2 fighters could survive a direct hit from a small nuclear missile without shields.
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Offline Tolwyn

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Can universe A beat universe B debates are generally pretty stupid because the rules that make both sci-fi universes work are generally different.

Yes, they are.

But I can say, from looking at Saga and FS2 stats, which fighter/bomber has some sort of advantage in a combat scenario.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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I reckon Flashpaks, and stealth, plus the onboard Merlin would make deep-strike recon and assault more advantageous in confeds favour. But i'm biased :D
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Offline gevatter Lars

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I think that you can't take even the stats as a basis. To get a close result to comparsion you would have to find the same weapon, for example in bot universes....for example the Laser. Make them equal and then recalculate the other weapons accordingly. Then you might have the weapons quite similar in strength. Still for a real comparsion you would also have to get things like armor, shields, speed and anything else to something similar...find a common value that I can't think of.

So comparing these two is quite useless. Also that Scifi universes tend to have each their own laws of physics ^_^
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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I reckon (just for arguments sake) that if the univeres were balanced equally, with relative physics etc.

Confed would still win...............

The shivans and the nephilim however..............
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Still for a real comparsion you would also have to get things like armor, shields, speed and anything else to something similar...find a common value that I can't think of.

I always thought of asteroids as a pretty good baseline. You can compare size and speed and see how different universe crafts do against them in terms of blowing them up and taking collisions. Armor and weapon comparisons right there.

Also, in FS1, almost all the weapon's techroom descriptions list their destructive force in kT. For exaple, the Fury is about 2 kT (2000 tons of TNT, or a small nuke). From my experience, WC ships are very similar to FS ships, like in most space shooters. There's a sort of convention where every fighter flys at 50-100m/s, it takes 20-30 weapon hits to bring down a medium fighter, and so on. I haven't played much WCS, but it seems pretty similar to FreeSpace. Go ahead and look at the tables; you'll see that the ships are basically similar.

But IMO there are two things that give FreeSpace ships the edge in any battle: Anti-fighter beams, and the Trebuchet.  :pimp:

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Yeah but confed have tracking lasers and stealth, (the Excalibur for example) Fusion guns and flashpaks and stealth (Dragon fighter) and the infamous Cap-ship missiles.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
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Offline gevatter Lars

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The Black Lance Dragon was never produced in masses...luckly for that time. If that ship would have gone into mass production or would have been even avaible during the kilrathi war...man that thing would have blow the kilrathi to bits before they know what hit them.
The Dragon was kind of an ultimate fighter with weapons, speed, shields and everything near the max...realy fearsome. You could just be lucky that the AI of that time was so dump to decloake right in front of your guns ^_^
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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[ruined illusion]AI,??  you mean that i didn't really beat Seether :([/ruined illusion]
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Offline gevatter Lars

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^________^ Yes

Ok you just invented the [ruine someones illusion] tag that has to be used everytime someone say stuff like "gaming isn't real" ^_^
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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^________^ Yes

Ok you just invented the [ruine someones illusion] tag that has to be used everytime someone say stuff like "gaming isn't real" ^_^

See copyright law................. I am a genius.
BTW, Flint was real though right...............  Anyway, i reckon Nephilim could put up a fair fight against the Shivans. ;7 :nod:
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Fabian

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Universe against universe itself seems stupid, but it makes for completely new FS2 (FS3???? ;-) ) missions ...

F1: Mayday, mayday. They are following me.
Ross 128: Calm down pilot. We had that whole story already. Was it vasudans?
F1: They slaughtered everyone.
Ross 128 (bored voice): Was it shivans, terrans, hybrids, vasudans, HoL, NTF, NNTF, NNNTF, a plane?
F1: It it it were ...
Ross 128: What pilot?
F1: Send fighters! Uh no its too late ...
Ross 128: Pilot, pilot!
F1: They are CATS!

... Marketing Voice from Off: Yes, really nice kitten. Everyone ought to have one, visit kittenwar.com now ;-).

Anyway joking aside, I think you don't have to balance out the universe from start up. when the shivans first arrived, the GTVA was also not balanced to them.

Then you can create hybrid craft with the help of the technology of the new enemy and balance up to it ... or die :P.

cu

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