[Mustang19]

In one of the Silent Threat missions, the player fights pirates trying to steal cargo from an installation. Considering how common pirates are in user-made campaigns, I think it would be at least worthwhile to start a page on them so people know that they "exist" in canon FS. Once I get home, I'm going to search for the specifics and create a Pirate page under Universe > Groups, which includes organizations such as the NTF, SOC, etc. Any objections?

[Goober5000]

[karajorma]

They don't exist in Canon FS though.

Campaigns using them a lot doesn't mean that they're canon.

[Black Wolf]

Like he said, they're in Silent Threat, which makes 'em canon.

[Colonol Dekker]

Very true, i never thought of that

Cool, a new dormant faction.

[Mustang19]

I'll get around to it. Maybe not today. But I would also like to eventually have an entry on all those ships that aren't listed in the Wiki's ship list, like the Pharos, SJD, and so on. I mean, they have importance to FREDers, at least, so why not make a page on them?

They don't exist in Canon FS though.

In one of the Silent Threat missions, the player fights pirates.

That always happens to me.  And you think Karajorma would read a whole post. But hey, such is the internet.

[karajorma]

It's been a long time since I played Silent Threat. Which mission?

[Mongoose]

Cloak and Dagger, the seventh mission in the campaign.  It's the mission where you're covering Chronos freighters in a debris field near an Arcadia as they recover experimental weaponry.  At least in my opinion, it was probably the most entertaining mission in the campaign from a gameplay standpoint.

[Mustang19]

Yes. It was fairly elaborate, too. made ships stealth/unstealth depending on their distance to a waypoint to represent the effects of an ion field surrounding the installation. It really was a good mission, maybe the best in Silent Threat.

[Colonol Dekker]

The Canon ones were almoist almost as good as the campaign winners,..........

[Mustang19]

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Pirates

There you go.

[WMCoolmon]

Reads like an opinion page to me.

[CP5670]

Yeah, that doesn't really look like a wiki article at all, although I agree with most of your views. Pirates tend to be heavily overused in many user-made campaigns and often feel like they're thrown in just for the player to have something to shoot at. That ST mission was a much better example of how pirates can be used (a bit ironic, since many of the other ST missions sucked).

[Mustang19]

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Pirates

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Pirates_and_Campaign_Design

Good ideas, guys. As you can see, I split it into a Pirates page and a FRED advice page. Feel free to edit the article if you like, debate, or reverse the POV. It'd be especially helpful if someone could find a campaign that made really good use of pirates.

[Colonol Dekker]

Derelict had pirates in, I think

[IPAndrews]

Every campaign in the history of campaign writing has frickin' pirates in. A tradition which I - to my shame - have myself kept alive.   

[karajorma]

Where's the love for ninjas?

[CP5670]

Every campaign in the history of campaign writing has frickin' pirates in. A tradition which I - to my shame - have myself kept alive.   

Mine is an exception. I avoid them altogether in my missions, as I don't think they fit well into the FS universe at all. They might make more sense in missions set during the post-GW reconstruction period, but seem unrealistic to have around after BETAC (and a stronger, centralized GTVA) has been established.

[karajorma]

I tend to agree. Personally I tend to feel that as long as the GTVA is stable piracy is basically impossible in a universe with near-instantaneous travel and instantaneous FTL comms.


As soon as pirates appeared they'd have maybe 2 minutes before ships from the nearest GTVA destroyer responded and kicked the **** out of them.

[Nuclear1]

I tend to agree. Personally I tend to feel that as long as the GTVA is stable piracy is basically impossible in a universe with near-instantaneous travel and instantaneous FTL comms.


As soon as pirates appeared they'd have maybe 2 minutes before ships from the nearest GTVA destroyer responded and kicked the **** out of them.

Except on the fringe planets.  Or if that destroyer was, I don't know, busy?