[haloboy100]

well obviously they did reverse engineer those.

[AlphaOne]

Given time the GTVA would reverse engenier every single shivan tech and then improve it. Well they would need not only time but something to work on as well. And considering how fast they managed to reverse engenier those mara's i believe that within 2 maibe 3 years they would reverse engenier almost every shivan tech ! Sure there would lots of money and research done but hell it would be worth while.

Man just imagine if they got they hands even on a small cruiser like a Lilith or a corvette....man oh man....! The really sweet hing would be if they got theyr hands on a Ravana. Now that would be something worth getting excited about. Just imagine better beams better armour better subspace tech better fighters better ships (well when taking into acount all the + and - shivan warships and GTVa warships have the GTVA has the better ships, or rather ship designs that is!)

[Snail]

It was probably very expensive, though.

[Gamma_Draconis]

Well, on Derelict they probably tried reverse engineering the Lucifer and it triggered Shivan warships to come to its aid. I wonder what would have happened if the GTVA had managed to kill off the attackers and continue studying the Lucifer.

[Hades]

Then i would have stolen it.

[Vasudan Commander]

I wonder how the GTVA actually developed beam cannon weaponry.....

[Hades]

Maybe they started to think and found out how to make decent weapons.

[Gamma_Draconis]

I'm willing to bet my head that the GTVA used stolen Shivan technology or were at least inspired by the Lucifer's beams that they made their own versions.

[ZmaN]

I'm willing to bet my head that the GTVA used stolen Shivan technology or were at least inspired by the Lucifer's beams that they made their own versions.

i believe they made their own.  isnt that why GTVA cannons are usually green while shivan cannons are yellow (like the licufers) or red (every other Shivan Warship)

[Snail]

It's possible they were made independently, but it's unlikely since the Shivans in FS2 have much better beam weapons. It seems to imply to me that the GTVA are just trying to copy Shivan technology.

[Hades]

And they failed at it.Shivan beams are faster stronger, and there ships scare the **** out of me.

[AlphaOne]

Well as far as reverse negeniering the shivan tech I must agree that in  terms of beam cannons the GTVA failed miserabli. GTVA beam cannons are somewhat of a piece of juck compared to they shivan counterparts. However one area where we see the GTVa made a relly good advance as comapred to the shivans was in terms of range for theyr beam cannons. There is no shivan beam cannon that can match the range of the GTVA ones. If they found a way to increase the sistained fire period and reacharge time then the GTVA warships would be a serious threat to any shivan warship that we know of. Hell if they managed to get a sustained fire period of 10 seconds like the shivan ones then even with the huge recharge rate they would be able to threaten even the jugg classes with ease.


Or they could just improve on the reacharge rate and get is equal to that of the shivan ones. that would work also. Combined with the superior range that would be ownage in terms of the GTVA!

theyr ships are scary no question here but are how shall I say this......junk. Aside from masive forward firepower they have nothing! Every time a shivan warship was put on the defensive it got blow to pieces much much fater then any GTVA warship.


Shivan warships are made for one thing and one thing only...attack and fast strykes at the enemy. Nothing more nothing less. In this regard the shivan are the masters. I fear to think what would happen if a species out there would find a way to make they ships strong enough as to resist shivans weaponry long enough so that theyr ships have a chance to hit back at the shivans.

They would be toats.

[Snail]

There is no shivan beam cannon that can match the range of the GTVA ones. If they found a way to increase the sistained fire period and reacharge time then the GTVA warships would be a serious threat to any shivan warship that we know of.

Nope, the BFRed is only a few hundred meters short of the LRBGreen.

[TrashMan]

Shivan ships also have crappy AF defenses... Hecate and Hatsephsut are a terror to go up against..

Ravana? Meh..Demon? LOL!!! Crappy armor on beams to boot, I can take out the beams on a Ravana with HARPOONS!

[Woolie Wool]

It also explains how they have 80+ juggernauts and not a single lucy..

Considering what beam cannons do to shields, the Lucifer would be at a severe disadvantage in FS2.

[Snail]

Why? It still has 800k hitpoints.

[TrashMan]

In FS1 it has far less...how they keep changing...where's hte continuity here? EH?

EDIT -*does it even matter in FS2? You don't see it in the official campaign anyway, they might have left it in  the tables without going over it for balance...

[Snail]

The Lucy always had 800k HP.

[TrashMan]

I recall it had 500000 in FS1..or was it 600000???
I could be wrong tough...

[haloboy100]

but pressing ~k does 100k damage to your target...and you have to press ~k 10 times to destroy a lucy in fs2. That means it has a million HP in fs2.