[Alikchi]

I think that they just don't have enough turrets. Specifically, no point-defence weapons in the vein of Subachs. Your average WWII capital ship had a huge number of machine guns and light (ie fighter-scale) weaponry, 20mm guns especially, stuck on the deck wherever they could be fit, to supplement the heavy anti-aircraft guns. FS can't model huge numbers of turrets very well, but methinks that if an Orion had a realistic number of turrets - lots of little Subachs everywhere - they'd be more formidable. I mean, less than 20 guns on a ship 2 kilometers long? Unlikely.

[Game_Master64]

but you'd probably crash the fs engine if you tried to do that. that is why they are so poorly defended, in my opinion. the engine cant handle a "realistic" number of weapons on a  destroyers, so all the smaller cap-ships had to be scalled down to match, thereby giving the player an edge over the computer, but not so much as to take all the fun out of it, which is really the point of videogames, isnt it?

[jr2]

To make the Treb targettable, you just have to edit a weapons.tbl entry, right?  Same goes for the Maxim's range... I think you could create a .tbm to change those values... not sure.  Ask someone who knows .tbms.  I think there's a wiki page on them.

[TrashMan]

Just  add a bomb flag to it or something like that..I made my trebs targetable...it's fun

[Snail]

Just  add a bomb flag to it or something like that..I made my trebs targetable...it's fun

Yeah, but I do not like it since the AI thinks it can't be used against bombers now (at least the AI doesn't do it).

BTW, have you tried deleting the "bomber+" flag of the Treb? The AI uses it against fighters and it makes for a lot of fun explosions

[TrashMan]

Mayhaps we need a new flag? Something that will tell the turret AI that it can target the missile, but not applying any restriction to the missile itself?