[colecampbell666]

Go into FRED and place a Seraphim and an Azrael. The Seraphim is bigger and it is a bomber, yet the Azrael's tech-room desc. says that it houses hundreds of Shivans. Just thought that it was kind of funny

[Game_Master64]

doesnt say how it houses them. maybe they just stack up 1 on top of the other

[colecampbell666]

Still, a bomber doesn't need more than three Shivans. and Shivans are huge, compared to humans/Vasudans. There is no possible way of housing 100's of Shivans on an Azrael, short of demolecularizing them, shrinking them, etc.

[Game_Master64]

i was being funny. or trying to, at least.

[Ghostavo]

The FS2 tech room says the Azrael houses "many" Shivans, does the FS1 tech room say hundreds?

Still, I question Command's knowledge of shivan ships.

[Game_Master64]

i question Command's knowledge period.

[Polpolion]

Look at it this way: you can't put anything in the front extending pylons on the Seraphim because of ordinances. You can't put anything  on half of the remaining ship because of the generator that powers the guns, turrets, sheilds, and systems. And you can't put any shivans on those random little pointy things because those are all to small. While the Azreal has no shields, no ordinances, only one more turret but no primaries, and is less massive (requires a smaller generator  and less power to accelerate).

[ssmit132]

While the Azreal has no shields

Yet the Elysium and the Azrael have shield meshes...

[Dysko]

And also the Elysium's and the Isis' transport capacity is a big enigma... they're too small to be transports...

[Mustang19]

If we a assume that the Hermes can carry 20 or so humans (which a lot of people seem to accept), then it's no leap of faith to agree that the Elysium can be a transport. The Hermes is one of the smallest ships in the game.

[Prophet]

Well they are large enought to shuttle people around. Which is just what they're supposed to do. If you wan't to move large masses of people, the what is stopping you to stuff them in a crago container?

Isis and Elysium move handfuls of people or equipment at short distances. No need to be big and bulky...

EDIT:
Oh, and if you wan't to compare Seraphim and Azrael... Then why not compare modern day main battle tanks and APC's? Tanks are usually bigger since APC needs to be just big enought so it can carry a squad with equipment. No room for laughing (literally). Bigger also means slower, which also might not be desireable.

[Wobble73]

Well they are large enought to shuttle people around. Which is just what they're supposed to do. If you wan't to move large masses of people, the what is stopping you to stuff them in a crago container?

Life support systems! 

[Prophet]

I should have know some smart ass tries to be funny with that...

[Wobble73]

I should have know some smart ass tries to be funny with that...

Hey! You asked the question, I merely answered it! 

 

[Prophet]

Well if you're dumb enought not to invest on a oxygen tank and a heater, then you deserve to lose your profits from human trade.

[colecampbell666]

Well they are large enought to shuttle people around. Which is just what they're supposed to do. If you wan't to move large masses of people, the what is stopping you to stuff them in a crago container?

Isis and Elysium move handfuls of people or equipment at short distances. No need to be big and bulky...

EDIT:
Oh, and if you wan't to compare Seraphim and Azrael... Then why not compare modern day main battle tanks and APC's? Tanks are usually bigger since APC needs to be just big enought so it can carry a squad with equipment. No room for laughing (literally). Bigger also means slower, which also might not be desireable.

Yes, but the APC doesn't carry that many more people.

[Nuclear1]

Hey guys, game limitations at the time FS1 was created mean no superbig transports in game especially in missions like The Aftermath with a dozen of them floating around on the same screen.

lolkthxbai

[Deepstar]

In the very famous Freespace 1 Cutscene where the soldiers find out how the Shivans really look, we know that this scene plays on an Azrael Transport (afaik), the Transport was very big, i think there is enough space for a few shivans.

In the final Bosch Monolog (FS2) we see an Azrael again, which is only a bit smaller than a Rakshasa.


But i think the relation of ship sizes to "how many peoples on it" is generally unrealistic, i mean, a Hecate has a crew of 10000

[Game_Master64]

it's a scaling thing, like nuclear1 said, the engine can handle large volumes of huge ships, and they just take up to much damn space. when its a comprimise between realism and playability, realism will almost always lose. think about it. would you play a game that laged like mad, and was nearly unplayable, but looked realistic?

[Polpolion]

Well they are large enought to shuttle people around. Which is just what they're supposed to do. If you wan't to move large masses of people, the what is stopping you to stuff them in a crago container?

Isis and Elysium move handfuls of people or equipment at short distances. No need to be big and bulky...

EDIT:
Oh, and if you wan't to compare Seraphim and Azrael... Then why not compare modern day main battle tanks and APC's? Tanks are usually bigger since APC needs to be just big enought so it can carry a squad with equipment. No room for laughing (literally). Bigger also means slower, which also might not be desireable.

Yes, but the APC doesn't carry that many more people.

IIRC tanks have a crew of three or four, while APCs varies on the model. Some are just straight APCs with no guns, so they just need a driver. Some have guns, so they need a gunner. Then there are IFVs. Usually to make it worthwhile APCs should carry at least five troops. I thought China had a main battle tank that could transport infantry, but I forget.