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Would you:

Eat neither sheep nor cats.
7 (16.7%)
Eat sheep but not cats.
21 (50%)
Eat cats... But not sheep
1 (2.4%)
Eat both sheep and cats.
13 (31%)

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Offline Shade

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Which animals might that be? I'm rather curios since you say they aren't eaten...
I said that to my knowledge they aren't eaten, just to clear that up so as to preempt anyone claiming that I made a categorical statement when, in fact, I did not :) As for the list: Any of the great apes (including Humans), dolphins (all species, Orcas included), and certain particularly intelligent species of parrots such as the Kea and the African Grey.

Anyway, I'm no expert on the subject, so it's really just my own subjective opinion about which animals seem to exhibit considerable intelligence.
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This thread is fun.

I find it completely ****ing stupid that these people could just stop people from eating cats. Its gay. So very, very gay.

 

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Just out of curiosity, why did you say that cats and dogs are a magnitude of intelligence above cows then?  :p

Observation... allough It might be better said that cats and dogs at least want to live and notice danger, while cows simply walk into the slaughterhouse... I could be wrong tough...



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So wait a second. You start out saying that we should decide what to eat based on intelligence and when someone points out that pigs are the 8th most intelligent animal you suddenly start claiming the tests you brought up to support your earlier argument are worthless.

Oh you SO deserve your title.

Did I EVER mantion any tests?
And did I ever claim we should decide based on intelligence? Asking questions is not the same as stating something....
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I'd eat cat meat if it tasted good. That particular cat is already dead so it's not very intelligent at that phase anyway... and someone went through the trouble of making food of it so why not. At that point, conversation about the cat's intelligence is a bit moot isn't it?

Whether or not I would condone widespread cat meat industry is a different thing altogether - I don't think eating cats would be economically and ecologically profitable, since carnivores have rather low efficiency when they're growing up - they eat meat themselves, whereas herbivores and omnivores (like pigs, cattle or chicken) grow much faster with way less initial energy from the grain or whatever plants they're eating. In that regard, cat/dog meat industry can and perhaps even should be avoided.

Interestingly, I don't have problems with intelligence as far as pigs are concerned. Probably because of social conditioning. But I would kinda take offense at people starting to industrially grow up, slaughter and sell chimpanzees' or other apes' meat... and I definitely don't condone poaching of apes.

But, in general, I find it way more revolting when people kill any animals and don't eat the meat, than to find eating some particular species significantly more un-appealing than some other.


...Or when people cook and eat living animal. They actually do that in somewhere far east... they take some reasonably sized fish and fry it's lower body in boiling oil while it's still alive. Then they bring it to the table, where it still lives a couple dozen minutes while you pick the meat off it's sides.

You need to be careful not to cut into it's abdominal cavity and guts, though, while you're eating it - that would kill it faster!

And obviously it's disputable whether the fish have enough of a consciousness to experience pain as anything more than a sense amongst others, but honestly, I wouldn't want my meal staring at me and gaping for a breathe on it's plate...  :eek2:
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id eat humans before id eat a cat, sheep are ok.
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Sheep are not that intelligent, so they are OK to eat, but cats and dogs etc. are too intelligent AND faithful to humans to eat.

That's my take on it.
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Offline Shade

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They're only faithful to humans because they're brought up to be in the short term, and on a longer term have had aggression bred out of them. Still, a pack of wild dogs would eat a human quite happily, could they get away with it. And on the other hand, keep a pig as your pet (and some people do) from it's a tiny piglet and it'll be just as faithful as the sweetest dog.
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Sheep are not that intelligent, so they are OK to eat, but cats and dogs etc. are too intelligent AND faithful to humans to eat.

That's my take on it.

Yes but it's a completely cultural take on it. I know I'd probably baulk if someone presented roast suckling dog at the dinner table in the way I would if it was a pig. But the fact is that this is 100% cultural conditioning and I realise that. We're brought up to see dogs and cats as pets and pigs as food. There's nothing really wrong with that but what is wrong is to then tell people who don't have their culture that they are wrong and then to try to justify that view with crappy science about how dogs and cats are too intelligent while tucking into a bacon sandwich.

If you eat pork but don't eat dog then it's almost certainly just due to culture. Accept that other people may come from a different culture and let them enjoy eating dog.
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I'd rather nuke 'em....


Dogs, dolphins & chimps.....horses & cats.. those are inteligent and good natured animals.

Especialy the first 3, since they naturally live in "societeis" (families) and as such form strong bonds.
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Dogs, dolphins & chimps.....horses & cats.. those are inteligent and good natured animals.
Good natured? How do you define 'nature'?

Anyway, it all depends on the meat itself. If cats were good eating, there'd be a much larger market for cats. However, cat meat isn't really all that great, and the small animal means that you don't get much meat per carcass, hence a low profit-per-unit value. I'd be willing to be dollars-to-donuts that there'd be a market for human if our meat wasn't so tough and tasted like rotten pork. Don't be expecting soylent green anytime soon!
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If you eat pork but don't eat dog then it's almost certainly just due to culture. Accept that other people may come from a different culture and let them enjoy eating dog.
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Same as if someone nicked your Vietnamese pot-bellied pig and tried to make it into bacon.
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Dogs, dolphins & chimps.....horses & cats.. those are inteligent and good natured animals.

And pigs are smarter than dogs and cats.

 

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I eat snails.

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In fact I'm a bit hungry now .....
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I eat Snails too.

Yes, I'm cannibalistic.

 

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Snails are nice with garlic and butter. This is irrelevant to the discussion.

I think its just culture that defines what is within 'eating limits'. For example, some people eat dogs, grew up eating dogs. So to them there's nothing wrong. Others grow up with dogs as pets, therefore see eating dogs as cruel and barbaric.
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I think its just culture that defines what is within 'eating limits'. For example, some people eat dogs, grew up eating dogs. So to them there's nothing wrong. Others grow up with dogs as pets, therefore see eating dogs as cruel and barbaric.

Exactly. That DOES NOT give you the right to go stop some Chinese guys from eating a few cats. That's the point I'm making here. I am glad HLP isn't a culture-subduing community of ass holes.

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lol. I started it in the backgroud in school and then me and my classmates spend 3 minutes searching for the source of 'that weird sound', i.e the music of leekspin.
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I've just voted for Cats but not sheep for the hell of it. (usually I don't vote in my own polls anyway)