[colecampbell666]

Firefox FTW!!!

[haloboy100]

i second that

[GenericCorvette]

I use Internet Exploder.

That's why I'm stuck with a Deimos instead of an Orion.

[haloboy100]

That's why I'm stuck with a Deimos instead of an Orion.

LOL!

[Stormkeeper]

Firefox! Cuz we has Firefox-chan!

[zero-g]

Firefox RULZ!

[starfox]

'fox for mii (naturally)

[blackhole]

I use internet explorer. But honestly, i'm sick of this entire browser war. All its done is made me work even more on my website just so its compatible.

[Ashrak]

i used to use crystalport but now ff

[colecampbell666]

I use internet explorer. But honestly, i'm sick of this entire browser war. All its done is made me work even more on my website just so its compatible.

There is no "browser war". M$ openly works with Mozilla to discuss how to make the two browsers similar in terms of GUI, or whatever, to avoid those problems. And there is an IE compatibility addon for FF to allow it to work on IE pages, like M$ update.

EDIT: Who uses Opera, and WTF is Opera?

[Ghostavo]

I use Opera, and this is Opera. Unlike other browsers, it passes the Acid2 test.

[haloboy100]

I use Opera, and this is Opera. Unlike other browsers, it passes the Acid2 test.

What's the acid 2 test? i don't get it...

[Ghostavo]

It's a test page to see if a browser is standards compliant.

[Flipside]

It's a test to see how compliant your Browser is with standard formatting and drawing commands, most browsers aren't all that compatible with the Industry standard, but that, of course, raises the question, 'what is the Industry standard if it isn't what most browsers are using?'

[haloboy100]

Exactly!

[Ghostavo]

It's an attempt to prevent the internet from having multiple standards with each browser doing what it wants.

Without such an attempt, you could end up having to install diferent browsers just to see diferent pages correctly.

[haloboy100]

tsk tsk tsk....well, i'm sticking with firefox. 'cause it has a cool interface (at least the one i downloaded)

[Flipside]

Problem is, despite the fact that these standards exist, the browser companies are creating their own industry standard, just through pure stubborness. I agree that an Industry Standard is the right way to go for HTML, but it seems to me that if the Industry is going to find a standard, it would be best to work with the major Broswer companies instead of laying down some rules in stone and then saying 'The two biggest browsers in use on the Internet aren't meeting the standard', simply because 'the standard' is the most commonly used technique, therefore you could equally argue that 'The Standards' can't cope with modern browsers.

Now, it DOES get on my nerves that I can't run Windows Update on Firefox, I'll admit, but it seems to me that the whole HTML thing needs looking at from both sides of the argument before things really do start splitting up into distinct pages for distinct browsers, which is something that does already happen.

[Ghostavo]

Microsoft is a member of the W3C, therefore it would be wise of them to follow the standards of the organization of which they are members.

Firefox is attempting to follow the same standards.

I don't see the case you are writting of.

[Flipside]

Basically, the fact is that, as you say, even though Microsoft is a member of W3C they have still moved outside the standards, does that mean that Microsoft are purely being belligerant, or is it simply that the standards didn't match up to what they wanted to achieve. If that's the case, is it Microsoft at fault, or do the standards need looking at? Are they up to the job they are set out for?

Take a look at Basic. 15 Years ago, Industry Standard basic had no 'Repeat...Until' or 'While....Do' loops, they were both Pascal instructions, Basic had to rely on 'For...Next' and 'If...Then...Goto' for it's loops. Eventually, as more versions of Basic adopted the Pascal looping commands, they became the Industry standard. That is how standards are supposed to work.