[castor]

The Ursa is not a stealth bomber!

It gets quite close though

[jr2]

?!?  The Ursa?  The Pegasus is the only "Stealth" craft, other than the Loki & Shivans' fighters, initially.

[AlphaOne]

Well then the GTVA shoul really start building some sort of stealth warships.

[Woolie Wool]

It's not a stealth bomber, but it's an extremely advanced, extremely expensive piece of equpment. A B-2 is both of those things. A B-52 is neither of those things.

[castor]

?!?  The Ursa?  The Pegasus is the only "Stealth" craft, other than the Loki & Shivans' fighters, initially.

No, no.. I just thought it was such a brilliant statement, caught me completely off guard

[jr2]

It's not a stealth bomber, but it's an extremely advanced, extremely expensive piece of equpment. A B-2 is both of those things. A B-52 is neither of those things.

A B-1B is. 

[Gamma_Draconis]

 A stealth Destroyer is a ridicious idea. Even if you can't get a target lock on it, its a huge chunk of metal. All you gotta do is point your guns at it and fire away. Not to mention the Destroyer would probably look funky and very very very expensive. We have no idea how advance the Shivans are. For all we know, we could have been facing Shivan pirates that are wandering out in the corners of the universe while the actual Shivan Empire and its fleet probably has ships we can't even begin imagine. I mean the GTVA has pirates right? Then why can't the Shivans? Imagine all the GTVA was fighting was a bunch of old out of date ships that were piloted by Pirates. Come to think of it, maybe the Lucifer Fleet was a pirate fleet and the Sathanas fleet was an actual Shivan Fleet.

[Bob-san]

It's not a stealth bomber, but it's an extremely advanced, extremely expensive piece of equpment. A B-2 is both of those things. A B-52 is neither of those things.

A B-1B is. 

I wouldn't really compare an Ursa to a B-52 or a B-1B... I'd more compare them to an F-14. Huge, aged, advanced for when it was produced, upgraded to stay "competitive". The Ursa is no fighter, but it meets all other specs. It's a huge bomber, tried-and-true. Its not really that advanced now--it's just big and capable. I'd gladly fly an Ursa over any other bomber and most fighters.

[jr2]

Unit cost   US$283 million in 1998







Supersonic, partially stealth, swing-wing...

Recant!!

[TrashMan]

I LUV the Lancer!!!!!

[AlphaOne]

What the?? about the stealth warship....its not suposed to be imune to beam cannon just a hell of a lot harder to get a sensor lock on it and make it harder for the bommbers to egt a lock and fire at it. That is all. Sure the beams can be fired opticly but who cares as long as the miss rate will go up and the bommbers will most likeli have to get much more closer to unload they bommbes which will make them a hell of a lot more vulnerable to aaaf and fighter attacks.


so what if it looks funny for all i care it can look like a bunny if it works I do not mind. Oh and the GTVA even if they can not prioduce a stealth warships like a destroyer or something they should be more then capable of making stealth bommbers and heavy fighters. Oh and if the shivans were so advanced they would of been able to get rid of you before you managed to scan they sath and even take out a few fighters.

So stop asuming the shivan are allmighty and all knowingly because we all know they are not 1 Sure they may be more advanced in some areas but they are inferior to the GTVA in some aeas as well.

There is no doubt they are powerfull very powerfull but to asume they are gods its like the whole HOL speaches from FS1.......are you by ani chance a vasudan fanatic??

[Gamma_Draconis]

Maybe.... 

We have no idea how powerful the Shivans are. Until we have found a Shivan installation or planet, we have to assume the worst. We can never win a frontal confrontation with the Shivans.

About the stealth Destroyer, I bet its really expensive to build any kind of stealth spacecraft. I'm willing to bet the Pegasus is the most expensive fighter hardware the GTVA currently owns. Imagine the amount of money and resources it'll take to construct a stealth Destroyer. Stealth Bombers would be nice but I think all stealth spacecrafts have to be light and nimble. I can see a new kinda of light bomber, maybe a fighter/bomber with stealth technology. They can be used to deliver surgical strikes and will probably be operated by the GTVI.

[Admiral Edivad]

About the stealth Destroyer.....

how about stealth installations? would it be possible?

[Gamma_Draconis]

About the stealth Destroyer.....

how about stealth installations? would it be possible?

1. It would be really expensive.
2. It won't be as effective because its still a giant hulking piece of metal.
3. It'll still appear on radar, except you just can't accurately target it.

[TrashMan]

Wouldn't stealth bombers make things too easy on the player? When you can come into fireing position without being noticed and deliver the payload where it hurts the most..a big advantage..

Hm.. you could of course, make stealth bombers like they do it in Allegiance - same as normal bombers, only FAR less armored and they can't carry the biggest bombs (Helios). Thus, when a few of them set up and preform a first strike it does wonders, but after tehat they got to run for their lives.

[AlphaOne]

Well I never said that such spacecraft would have to like a heavy bommber heavy armour heavy payload. But it would be nice to have a small advantage over the shivans. About the instalations beeing stealth ...well.... unless you have some sort of way to cloak it or something like that it would be a waste of time...they are just too big. unles they are hidden deep within the sistem ....but still it would be more expensive then a Collie to build such a stealth behemoth.


About the destroyer beeing stealth well granted they would be expensive and so as not to make them to overpowering they would have to have smaller fighter bays and be in general smaller then normal destroyers.

On the same not you could make use of some stealth corvettes and frigates. They would not cos as much and would be ideal for striking at the shivans without unbalacing the game. Granted they woul be operated by some sort of speacialized crews such as the GTVI or SOC . They do not have to be many of them even a dozen or so would be more then enough to become a very powerfull tool against the shivans.

They would not be able to win the war but they can sure as hell deliver some serious hurt back at the shivans and perhaps help the GTVA survive major engagements.

[jr2]

Geez, guys... Iceni ring a bell?

[AlphaOne]

The Iceni was not a stealth ship. It was a very fast frigate with weaponry that could match a destroyer class ship. Altough it had weak aaaf defences and no fighterbay.

The iceni is a superb ship and very beutifull I might add. Besides this it is a very very deadly ship to any other warship except for the Collie and Sath. It could in theory take out with ease a ship such as a Hecate which focuses maynli on its C&C and carrier abilaties rather then raw firepower and could even pose a very serious problem to Hatshepsut class destroyers. Hell the Iceni could be a threat to almost any if not all destroyers in game so far. Remember it has no less the 3BG mounted on it. Not even the Hecate has that many BG mounted on it and the Hecate is a damn destroyer.

However if a ship such as the Iceni were to become a stealth ship it would be more then a match to any and all destroyers present in game. This would offset the weak aaf defences and its lack of a fighterbay and would eneble it to go directly for the destroyer without too much problems from the bommbers and fighters.

However this is not to say that it would not require some sort of fighter/bommber escort. Even with prymaries a ship can be disabled.

That is why I believe that a stealth Deimos would be another nail in the coffin of the shivans. The Deimos has an outrageous aaaf capabilaty for its size and can take on wing after wing after wing of fighters and bommber and get out almost intact. Not to meion is has some acceptable firepower from its 4 slasher beams.

[jr2]

Iceni isn't a stealth ship now...

[Hades]

Iceni isn't a stealth ship now...

The Iceni isn't alive now either......

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