[Hades]

I saw on the History Channel about when the Earth was cooling down after it formed that the asteroids and other rocks that were hitting it had microorganisms That might have been what made the animals.If any one remembers from PI about the pods that hit earth and turned into human?Sounds alike IMO.

[Snail]

Well PI has a large plot hole because the human civilization was around for much longer than 8,000 years which is when the Ancients came under attack.

[CP5670]

A bit OT, but I thought I would clear that up. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it until now, actually.

Spoiler:

The campaign assumes that modern, recognizable humans evolved from apes about 200,000 years ago, not 8,000. The canonical evidence is simply that the Ancients were "eliminated" 8,000 years ago, but that says nothing about how long they were actually fighting the Shivans. For the purposes of PI, the Ancients empire was so large and their ships so powerful that their defeat to the Shivans took an extremely long time. At the 200,000 year mark, they had already been fighting for a very long time. This can be inferred from a few messages in the mission 13 dialogue.

[Snail]

Wow so you did think this through very, very thoroughly. And I like the idea that the Ancients put up a fight. They conquered thousands of species, the Shivans couldn't put out the light that fast.

[TrashMan]

Aren't humans present on Earth like, 2 MILLION years???

[Polpolion]

No? IIRC homosapiens came about about 10,000 BC.

[Shade]

Close, kinda. You forgot one zero

[Ghostavo]

And he'd still need to double the whole number.

[Polpolion]

Oh well. I was still a lot closer than trashman.

[TrashMan]

I'm pretty sure the oldest human remains were like 4 million years old..a skull of a female if I'm not mistaken.

Homo Sapiense didn't evolve out of rock...

[Ghostavo]

But it depends on what you can call a human.

Four million years old australopithecus is not what I'd call human.

[jr2]

australopithecus puzzle pieces found = 5 / 300.  Pick another one.

Link.

And if you gag at the site, that's no excuse for not reading it, it does contain references from sources you'd consider valid.

[Ghostavo]

I have no idea what you are trying to imply, but the article just adresses a single species of the australopithecus genus. Besides the site being what it is of course.

[Flipside]

There's a lot of prehistoric creatures that have been rebuilt from just a few bones, and, yes, sometimes they've got it wrong, the Allosaurus, I think it was, spent quite a few years with a large thumb that it now seems it didn't have, however, whilst hey don't always get the details right, archaeologists have got very good on building up a picture based on scattered evidence and comparing it with modern ancestors.

[Black Wolf]

australopithecus puzzle pieces found = 5 / 300.  Pick another one.

Link.

And if you gag at the site, that's no excuse for not reading it, it does contain references from sources you'd consider valid.

Don't be retarded. Teeth are the single most diagnostic fossil you can ever hope to find for an animal, even partial teeth can tell you as lot. The whole article goes on about how similar the fossils are to chimps, which is what you'd expect for a highly primitive Australopithicene, but the guy admits that there were three derived characteristics, i.e. they had to evolve after the Ape/Human split. It's not fitting evidence to a belief, it's accepting that evolutionary science understands the difference between these two types of feature.

[Ace]

australopithecus puzzle pieces found = 5 / 300.  Pick another one.

Link.

And if you gag at the site, that's no excuse for not reading it, it does contain references from sources you'd consider valid.

Native Americans never inhabited the Pacific Northwest because I only found two lithic scatters so far this summer!!!111oneoneone

I have to find a lot more of them in order to prove that they were really here during their seasonal subsistence rounds!!!111 THIS IZ PWOOF DAT WHITES WERE FIRST!!!

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WRONG! There are things called context and parsimony.

[Fearless Leader]

Ok, Im human, and my friend "Z" is human.

"Z" is 5ft 4in and weighs about 110lbs

Im 6ft 2in and weight about 210lbs

If after we both die(lets say about 300m apart) and decay to just bones, some Shivan puts his leg bones on my body, and says "look this is what humans actually looked like"

Even though we are the same species, parts from one wont fit parts from another correctly and will not give an accurate representation of a human.

[Topgun]

australopithecus puzzle pieces found = 5 / 300.  Pick another one.

Link.

And if you gag at the site, that's no excuse for not reading it, it does contain references from sources you'd consider valid.

Don't be retarded. Teeth are the single most diagnostic fossil you can ever hope to find for an animal, even partial teeth can tell you as lot. The whole article goes on about how similar the fossils are to chimps, which is what you'd expect for a highly primitive Australopithicene, but the guy admits that there were three derived characteristics, i.e. they had to evolve after the Ape/Human split. It's not fitting evidence to a belief, it's accepting that evolutionary science understands the difference between these two types of feature.

don't you remember the Nebraska man .

[Ace]

Wow so you did think this through very, very thoroughly. And I like the idea that the Ancients put up a fight. They conquered thousands of species, the Shivans couldn't put out the light that fast.

*Shrug*

Based on the FS1 cutscenes and Volition's own statements about Ancient technology it seems that they did not defeat Shivan shielding until their homeworld was destroyed.

The Shivans likely blitzkreiged straight through their major systems, tearing their ships apart while "not dying," and crushed the Ancients rather swiftly. Their species was most likely reduced to a non-viable population by the time they had the means to fight back, not that it wouldn't make an interesting story about the surviving armada knowing it's doomed tracking and fighting the Shivans in subspace when all of their worlds were gone.

However it does seem to be a common theme in fanon to have the Ancients put up a good fight.

[Black Wolf]

don't you remember the Nebraska man .

Oh yes. That pinnacle of 1920's scientific endeavour. It was suggested upon the first publication of that tooth that it was misidentified, and conclusively disproven a few years later - which is how science works. Mistakes are rectified through scientific endeavour. There's no dogma, no unchangeable canon. Plus, we're just a little bit better with these things now, after eighty years of practice.